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6 minutes ago, Turogue said:

They aren't dehumanized for their affiliation, they're easily fact-checked like the political figures that they follow and defend and they're exposed for their idiocy or at least for the nonsense that they repeat (just like you do)

Lies and and false information does not turn into facts just because you say it over and over again. It urns into a believe but it's all in the head, it's not the truth, it's not facts.

 

Dispute with family of Mollie TibbettsEdit

In August 2018, Owens had a dispute with a Sam Lucas, cousin of Mollie Tibbetts, who had been ******** by Cristhian Bahena Rivera, a 24-year-old Mexican illegal immigrant.[77] Tibbetts' cousin said that Owens had exploited Tibbetts' death for "political propaganda".[78][79] Owens responded by describing Lucas' criticism as a "strange" attack on Trump supporters. Later that month, the University of Iowa's chapter of Turning Point USA criticized Owens for "public harassment" towards a member of Tibbetts' family, and the executive board members of the chapter all resigned in protest.[80]

Comments on 2018 mail bombing attemptsEdit

In October 2018, during the mail bombing attempts targeting prominent Democrats, Owens took to Twitter to promote the conspiracy theory that the mailings were sent by leftists.[81] After authorities on October 26 arrested a 56-year-old suspect who was a registered Republican and Trump supporter, Owens deleted her tweet without explanation.[82]

Comments about Adolf Hit**rEdit

Rep. Ted Lieu plays recording of Candace Owens's statement on Adolf Hit**r.

At the launch of the British offshoot Turning Point UK in December 2018, Owens made comments about Adolf Hit**r.[83] She was responding to an audience member who asked for a "long-term prognosis" about the terms "globalism" and "nationalism", Owens said:

I actually don't have any problems at all with the word "nationalism". I think that the definition gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism. Globalism is what I don't want. Whenever we say "nationalism" the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hit**r. You know, [Hit**r] was a national socialist, but if Hit**r just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay, fine. The problem is that he wanted—he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German. Everybody to look a different way. That's not, to me, that's not nationalism.[83][84]

Following heavy criticism for her comments, Owens clarified them on Twitter and in a Judiciary Committee hearing in the U.S. House of Representatives in February 2019.[85] Owens said that "[Hit**r] was a homicidal, psychopathic, maniac that killed his own people" and "[Hit**r was not a Nationalist, he] ******** his own people, a nationalist would not kill their own people". She said that the point of her comments was to say that there is "no excuse or defense ever for... everything that [Hit**r] did".[83][86] She also said that her comments were about Hit**r's crimes against Jews.[85]

Owens' comments about Hit**r were played in April 2019 by Representative Ted Lieu during testimony in front of the House Judiciary Committee about the issue of increasing hate crimes and white supremacy in America. Lieu said that he did not know Owens and was just going to let her own words characterize her, before playing the audio clip. Owens responded that Lieu had deliberately omitted an interviewer's question that provided critical context to her words, with the intent of misrepresenting them as an endorsement of Hit**r, to smear her reputation.[87]

Donald Trump Jr. praised Owens on Twitter for "call(ing) out the Dems on their purposeful manipulation of facts for their narrative".[88]

Mention in Christchurch shooter's manifestoEdit

The perpetrator of the Christchurch mosque shootings produced a manifesto in which he wrote that Owens had "influenced him above all".[89][90][91] According to journalist Robert Evans, it was "possible, even likely" that the shooter was a fan of Owens, considering her rhetoric against Muslim immigrants, but in context the terrorist's references to her may have been an example of "****posting" intended to provoke political conflict.[92][93] For instance, the line "Though I will have to disavow some of [Owens'] beliefs, the extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes" was assessed by The Root as trolling.[94]

Hours after the shootings, Owens posted a tweet in reaction to allegations that she inspired the mass ******, saying that she never created any content espousing her views on the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution or Islam.[95] However, her tweet was criticized as "glib" when it was reported that she actually had posted tweets about the 2nd Amendment and Islam.[96][97][98][75] She later made formal statements rejecting any connection to the shooter.[75]

George Floyd protestsEdit

In June 2020, Owens falsely claimed that George Soros paid people to protest the killing of George Floyd.[99] Shortly afterwards, she argued that George Floyd "was not a good person. I don't care who wants to spin that."[100] She said, "The fact that he has been held up as a martyr sickens me."[100] President Trump retweeted Owens's remarks about Floyd.[100][101] In a Facebook video that garnered nearly 100 million views, Owens called Floyd a "horrible human being", citing his criminal record, and called racial biases among police a "fake narrative."[102]

Coronavirus pandemicEdit

During the coronavirus pandemic, Owens frequently downplayed the seriousness of the pandemic. In February 2020, after referring to earlier predictions about war and climate, she said "... now we're all going to die from Coronavirus" and said that the left was becoming a "Doomsday Cult".[103] In April, she said that COVID-19 deaths were overcounted; health experts said that it was more likely that COVID-19 deaths were undercounted.[104]

Regarding a coronavirus vaccine, she said "under no circumstances will I be getting any #coronavirus vaccine that becomes available. Ever. No matter what."[105] She referred to Bill Gates as a "vaccine-criminal", and said that he and the WHO used "African & Indian tribal children to experiment w/ non-FDA approved **** vaccines."[106][107]

I'm not going to read your copy and paste excuse for an argument. I'll say this, Candace Owens was massively missquoted with that Hit**r comment. I don't like her personally. She was very rude towards Blaire White (trans Republican). Still it doesn't change the fact that she's allowed to have a political opinion. This is something your kind (sorry if I'm generalizing) doesn't seem to grasp. It doesn't matter if she buys into ridiculous conspiracies. She doesn't deserve to be told she can't have those opinions because she's black, that's she's a coon or a race traitor. You can actually defend someone you don't agree with. Shocking, right?

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7 minutes ago, floopy22 said:

I'm not going to read your copy and paste excuse for an argument. I'll say this, Candace Owens was massively missquoted with that Hit**r comment. I don't like her personally. She was very rude towards Blaire White (trans Republican). Still it doesn't change the fact that she's allowed to have a political opinion. This is something your kind (sorry if I'm generalizing) doesn't seem to grasp. It doesn't matter if she buys into ridiculous conspiracies. She doesn't deserve to be told she can't have those opinions because she's black, that's she's a coon or a race traitor. You can actually defend someone you don't agree with. Shocking, right?

I don't care about her race, she's an idiot and she can have her opinion but she can be fact-checked left and right if she says rubbish and repeats the same lies like Trump. Guess what, freedom of speech does not equal immunity from criticism. Something that 'your kind' always struggled to understand.

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8 minutes ago, floopy22 said:

I'm not going to read your copy and paste excuse for an argument. I'll say this, Candace Owens was massively missquoted with that Hit**r comment. I don't like her personally. She was very rude towards Blaire White (trans Republican). Still it doesn't change the fact that she's allowed to have a political opinion. This is something your kind (sorry if I'm generalizing) doesn't seem to grasp. It doesn't matter if she buys into ridiculous conspiracies. She doesn't deserve to be told she can't have those opinions because she's black, that's she's a coon or a race traitor. You can actually defend someone you don't agree with. Shocking, right?

Yeah you don't wanna read it because it doesn't align with your "truth". And no she wasn't missquoted.

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5 minutes ago, Turogue said:

Honey don't even try, it's obvious that you're another paid shill or bot. You're not gonna go anywhere with this silly propaganda.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/04/politics/donald-trump-georgia-election-joe-biden-congress/index.html

There is an actual recording of Trump begging for another 11000 something votes. Trump himself tried to influence the outcome. Bye.

Solid argument there! There we go with the dehumanizing. I'm a bot, really!? I'm surprised I'm not a troll and Russion too?

 I'm the only one who's tried to find common ground. I should have know it was a pointless effort. Again, I'm not a Trump-supporter. As for that tape, I believe that's more desperation than corruption. He's possibly refering to finding legit fraudulent/invalid votes, not to make it up. He'd be stupid to do that with so many people listening to the call (Lawyers for both sides were present).

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3 minutes ago, Turogue said:

Yeah you don't wanna read it because it doesn't align with your "truth". And no she wasn't missquoted.

Why should I read something you've simply copied and pasted? I know about these already. It's old news and as I explained is irrelevant to my point.

I'm going to repeat this for the last time. I disagree with shaming and dehumanizing someone for their political opinions, no matter if it's conspiracy theories.

You debate these people, not try to silence or bully them.

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7 minutes ago, floopy22 said:

Solid argument there! There we go with the dehumanizing. I'm a bot, really!? I'm surprised I'm not a troll and Russion too?

 I'm the only one who's tried to find common ground. I should have know it was a pointless effort. Again, I'm not a Trump-supporter. As for that tape, I believe that's more desperation than corruption. He's possibly refering to finding legit fraudulent/invalid votes, not to make it up. He'd be stupid to do that with so many people listening to the call (Lawyers for both sides were present).

You guys think and act like a hive mind, typical for a cult.

You really think he isn't that stupid, really?

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21 hours ago, floopy22 said:

Why should I read something you've simply copied and pasted? I know about these already. It's old news and as I explained is irrelevant to my point.

I'm going to repeat this for the last time. I disagree with shaming and dehumanizing someone for their political opinions, no matter if it's conspiracy theories.

You debate these people, not try to silence or bully them.

Trump's suckers show why spreading fake news and false information can be dangerous. Trump has handled the pandemic horribly and the rioters that were killed at the capitol were sad deluded fools. I mean imagine losing your life for Trump.

I'm not American, me and my friends saw the news and we just couldn't believe that so many Americans are really that stupid. But then again your education system is laughable and ridiculously underfunded.

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1 minute ago, Turogue said:

You guys think and act like a hive mind, typical for a cult.

You really think he isn't that stupid, really?

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For the last time. I am NOT a Trump supporter. I am not even American.

I know he has lied, but do you consider that these people have a motivation to lie too? You all need to stop thinking there is an absolute authority on the truth.

Start thinking critically! Now This isn't unbiased. Fox News isn't unbiased and neither is CNN.

You're the one behaving like a cult member. This isn't leading anywhere, and I honestly don't want this to degrade further.

If you have anything besides insults or ad-hominems I'll reply. Otherwise I'm not going to participate any longer.

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24 minutes ago, Turogue said:

Trump's suckers show why spreading fake news and false information can be dangerous. Trump has handled the pandemic horribly and the rioters that where killed at the capitol were sad deluded fools. I mean imagine losing your life for Trump.

I'm not american and me and my friends saw the news and just couldn't believe that so many Americans are really that stupid. But then again your education system is laughable and ridiculously underfunded.

I'm not American. Trump has handled the pandemic in an American way, within the confines of the constitution. Lockdowns and restriction as many people demand isn't constitutional in the US.

The people who stormed the Capitol were desperate and afraid. Most of them are likely sociopaths, much like the Antifa members who caused havoc in US cities throughout 2020, factions from both sides in Charlottesville, etc.

People seem to ignore that the majority did not storm the Capitol, but were there to exercise their democratic right to protest. Whatever happened to "mostly peaceful" protest while cities were actually burning and had autonomous zones?

Nobody is claiming all of BLM were looting and starting fires, it was clearly a minority just like in DC.

The blame for what happened at DC must be shared, or the US will never heal.

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13 minutes ago, floopy22 said:

For the last time. I am NOT a Trump supporter. I am not even American.

I know he has lied, but do you consider that these people have a motivation to lie too? You all need to stop thinking there is an absolute authority on the truth.

Start thinking critically! Now This isn't unbiased. Fox News isn't unbiased and neither is CNN.

You're the one behaving like a cult member. This isn't leading anywhere, and I honestly don't want this to degrade further.

If you have anything besides insults or ad-hominems I'll reply. Otherwise I'm not going to participate any longer.

If you can't back up what you say and claim nonsense that has already been debunked you can't expect to be taken seriously. If your 'information' simply does not match with the facts then it is false. And yes there IS an authority on truth, or at least proven evidence that comes the closest to the truth. 

You claim there is voter fraud when there is no serious proof to back it up. 

You want freedom of speech but refuse to face the consequences for what you are blurting out.

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On 1/7/2021 at 8:02 PM, Danielle1987 said:

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I feel like people should ask themselves why they care about OTHER people’s thoughts and opinions. 

It’s an illusion that people thought for themselves.

Things have changed possibly because feelings has become mistaken for thoughts. We think too much now. And people “feel” they need to speak up about everything. But they’re not feeling at all.

If I ask you “how you really feel about something (insert example)”,  you’ll answer in very few words, because it’s visceral. But if your feelings have been hijacked by your mind, (you’re going to spew everything you think about it. what you’ve heard/learned, including opinions.

If we were more connected to your true feelings many things wouldn’t matter so much, because what actually mattered would take precedence. 

Too much thought stops the body from feeling.

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1 minute ago, Turogue said:

If you can't back up what you say and claim nonsense that has already been debunked you can't expect to be taken seriously. If your 'information' simply does not match with the facts then it is false. And yes there IS an authority on truth, or at least proven evidence that comes the closest to the truth. 

You claim there is voter fraud when there is no serious proof to back it up. 

You want freedom of speech but refuse to face the consequences for what you are blurting out.

I posted a link to a crowdsourced collection of evidence that should at minimum warrant transparent and bipartisan investigations into the matters. You cannot deny there is evidence if it hasn't been looked at or tried in a court of law. I repeat, no case has been tried but only been dismissed on other grounds.

Evidence isn't an authority. An authority on truth essentially means an entity which is always right and has no bias or agenda. This is simply impossible, which is why we don't listen to a single authority but look at the evidence and have an open debate.

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20 hours ago, floopy22 said:

I'm not American. Trump has handled the pandemic in an American way, within the confines of the constitution. Lockdowns and restriction as many people demand isn't constitutional in the US.

The people who stormed the Capitol were desperate and afraid. Most of them are likely sociopaths, much like the Antifa members who caused havoc in US cities throughout 2020, factions from both sides in Charlottesville, etc.

People seem to ignore that the majority did not storm the Capitol, but were there to exercise their democratic right to protest. Whatever happened to "mostly peaceful" protest while cities were actually burning and had autonomous zones?

Nobody is claiming all of BLM were looting and starting fires, it was clearly a minority just like in DC.

The blame for what happened at DC must be shared, or the US will never heal.

That's rubbish and you know it, he refused to listen to the scientists for way too long, just like he denies  climate change despite the evidence (but he gives a rat's *** about the environment anyways). There is more than enough analysis that shows his response to the pandemic was nothing but bad, how long did he and his folowers refuse to even wear a mask. He is the epitome of leading with bad example. And constitution my ***, when was the constitution written? You know that time doesn't stand still, clinging to the constitution even if it kills more people and when you know you could do it another way is amoral.

The people that stormed the Capitol are not afraid, don't even try to move it in another direction that aligns with your warped truth. Those people were deluded poor followers who believe any rubbish that Trump tells. 

Charlottesville, really? You mean the far right neo **** rally that ended up killing a woman who stood up to the fascist worshippers? You're disgusting.

The looters in the summer at least had their faces hidden for the most part, it's difficult to say what real political affiliation they had. (No defence, looting destroys property and existences). The protesters and rioters (or should I say terrorists) at the Capitol showed who they support all over their bodies and clothes. 

In 2016 the democrats were outraged that so many fellow Americans were really foolish enough to elect a narcissistic sociopath who claimed he grabs women by the p*ssy and that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it. But they didn't deny the result and weren't so idiotic to storm the Capitol.

And we all know that if most of the rioters this time had been black that way way more of them would have been shot by the police. The police response here was absolutely ridiculous.

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24 minutes ago, Justin Woodpond said:

It’s an illusion that people thought for themselves.

Things have changed possibly because feelings has become mistaken for thoughts. We think too much now. And people “feel” they need to speak up about everything. But they’re not feeling at all.

If I ask you “how you really feel about something (insert example)”,  you’ll answer in very few words, because it’s visceral. But if your feelings have been hijacked by your mind, (you’re going to spew everything you think about it. what you’ve heard/learned, including opinions.

If we were more connected to your true feelings many things wouldn’t matter so much, because what actually mattered would take precedence. 

Too much thought stops the body from feeling.

I disagree. Our society was built because of having to think over feeling at certain times.

If we don't think and just feel, we're just animals. Animals can be very cruel and selfish.

It's a tough balance. If we only feel, we would be selfish and couldn't empathize with others. I see a lot of this today. There is a lot of fake and shallow empathy with the purpose of only bringing self-gratification and popularity.

If we don't think we couldn't make the tough, but necessary decisions because it felt awful. People cause immense suffering all the time because they make the easy choice, and by easy I don't mean the selfish choice.

/Edit: I agree though that people don't tend to think for themselves. It's easier to believe something, especially if it's a popular belief or if it's simple and doesn't challenge pre-concieved ideas. That is where feelings come in. People tend to believe the things that feels better, or takes away the bad feelings (responsibility, guilt and expectations).

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22 minutes ago, floopy22 said:

I posted a link to a crowdsourced collection of evidence that should at minimum warrant transparent and bipartisan investigations into the matters. You cannot deny there is evidence if it hasn't been looked at or tried in a court of law. I repeat, no case has been tried but only been dismissed on other grounds.

Evidence isn't an authority. An authority on truth essentially means an entity which is always right and has no bias or agenda. This is simply impossible, which is why we don't listen to a single authority but look at the evidence and have an open debate.

Wrong again, you posted a link to old fake news. It was brought to court but deemed as pure speculation. What is so hard to get, there wasn't enough  serious evidence which is why the courts tossed out all the suits. That's how courts work. Got it dummy?

It's not evidence when you can't back it up, if is not proven then it is false or remains speculation. Welcome to reality.

https://reason.com/2020/12/07/a-federal-judge-in-michigan-says-sidney-powells-election-fraud-claims-are-nothing-but-speculation-and-conjecture/

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Powell maintains that Democrats resorted to paper ballot fraud after their original, machine-based scheme failed to work as anticipated. Yet "the closest Plaintiffs get to alleging that physical ballots were altered" to favor Biden, Parker says, "is the following statement in an election challenger's sworn affidavit: 'I believe some of these workers were changing votes that had been cast for Donald Trump and other Republican candidates.' But of course, '[a] belief is not evidence' and falls far short of what is required to obtain any relief, much less the extraordinary relief Plaintiffs request."

What about Powell's reiteration of the complaint that Detroit election workers treated Republican poll challengers rudely and inappropriately? "Plaintiffs do not at
all explain how the question of whether the treatment of election challengers
complied with state law bears on the validity of votes, or otherwise establishes an
equal protection claim," Parker writes.

In addition to highlighting the paucity of Powell's evidence, Parker concludes that her claims are barred by the 11th Amendment, which generally keeps federal courts from getting involved when citizens sue states. Deference to state courts would be appropriate in any event, she says, because when Powell filed her complaint "there already were multiple lawsuits pending in Michigan state courts raising the same or similar claims."

"According to Parker's ruling, in short, Powell filed the wrong claims in the wrong court on behalf of the wrong plaintiffs at the wrong time. Even if she had not erred in all of those ways, her evidence of election fraud was too meager to provide the basis for the injunction she sought."
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44 minutes ago, floopy22 said:

I'm not American. Trump has handled the pandemic in an American way, within the confines of the constitution. Lockdowns and restriction as many people demand isn't constitutional in the US.

The people who stormed the Capitol were desperate and afraid. Most of them are likely sociopaths, much like the Antifa members who caused havoc in US cities throughout 2020, factions from both sides in Charlottesville, etc.

People seem to ignore that the majority did not storm the Capitol, but were there to exercise their democratic right to protest. Whatever happened to "mostly peaceful" protest while cities were actually burning and had autonomous zones?

Nobody is claiming all of BLM were looting and starting fires, it was clearly a minority just like in DC.

The blame for what happened at DC must be shared, or the US will never heal.

https://reason.com/2021/01/07/antifa-violence-trump-capitol-riot/

The blame for what happened at DC lies on Trump and his supporters, to hell with it needs to be shared. Everyone can see right through you.

"Paxton's sentiments were echoed by other pro-Trump figures, including Rep. Matt Gaetz (R–Fla.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R–Ala.), and the conspiracist attorney L. Lin Wood, who touted "indisputable photographic evidence that antifa violently broke into Congress today." This assertion, like Wood's previous claims that Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts is part of a ********* cabal and that Vice President Mike Pence will face execution by firing squad, is wrong, as are all other claims that antifa was responsible for the Capitol riot.

For one thing, this isn't antifa's m.o. Antifa protesters typically use "black bloc" tactics: They dress in black and conceal their faces with masks and hoods. Individuals will quickly smash windows and set fires, then blend back into a crowd of similarly dressed people. They don't aim to get caught.

The people who stormed the Capitol, by contrast, were captured in numerous photos and videos. Their faces are easily identifiable. Many are obviously sincere Trump supporters associated with the far right. Several of them, including "groyper" leaders Nick Fuentes and Baked Alaska, are well-known to the media by now. The woman who was sadly killed by police under circumstances that require further investigation was genuinely pro-Trump. The guy who sat in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's chair and stole her mail is definitely not antifa, nor is the half-naked fur-and-horns guy. This latter individual is named Jake Angeli, and he is a conspiracy theorist—the self-stylized "Q Shaman"—who has appeared at multiple Trump rallies."

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4 minutes ago, floopy22 said:

I hope you can live with yourself when they begin to send Trump-supporters/conservatives to concentration camps.

That ain't happening,and these kind of delyded,conspiracy like statements keep proving the fact that majorityof Trump supporters are mentallyI Iill and in need of professional help.

With that being said I will not loose any sleep even if that happens

 

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