[UPDATED] Netflix's 'Britney vs Spears' stream + comment party

[Phonography423]

I hope y’all get some sleep tonight. Tomorrows a big day. I’m feeling confident 

[MintChocoLatte]

Writing this as I watch. just my random thoughts in bullet points. wall of text incoming, I won't apologize.

- interesting line right at the start: once Britney's divorce is finalized hopefully she'll get back to performing for us. nothing shocking, but the "for us" part hit me a little. just reminded me how for the longest time we as fans and people just kept demanding Britney to entertain us no matter what was going on. really, not knowing better is not an excuse. and it's not just Britney. made me think how we need to stop treating celebs like personal toys and stop disregarding their mental health, personal struggles etc. i dont wanna hear anything about eat the rich in response to this.

- adnan's part. the scene where he talks about having helped her with her gas. the visual was disturbing, just Britney standing beside her car, surrounded by paparazzi like they're vultures waiting to eat her alive. why is this "profession" still a thing? horrifying. him saying what became apparent to him was Britney had no one she could trust. probably why she latched on to him the second he helped her out.  i never believed he was the villain team con made him out to be, even back then that sounded like utter bs. but ever since the movement started one question keeps being relevant, is anyone team con ever slammed as evil truly the enemy? was there ever a villain to begin with other than team con themselves and to a degree lutfi of course? probably not honestly.

- we love you Britney people yell as they crowd around her car like predators, makes me sick every time.

- i dont like how they gave Kaplan the platform to make excuses for his behavior and for Kevin. though one thing he said made me think of Sam. how the public deemed Kevin as unworthy of America's sweetheart (he was). kinda the same thing some fans are doing to Sam rn, and all the other boyfriends too really. probably irrelevant but food for thought.

- really effin random but when they showed lutfi i realized i didnt know what he looks like rn, same for Kaplan lol. again, why the platform. then again, I guess you always have to weigh the options. do you need his side of the story or not. he is right with saying he's the scapegoat. not saying he's innocent. but people have said it here before. it's telling how he was never sued, never had the police called on him despite what he was allegedly doing to Britney.

- the nerve of that person in the car chasing Britney calling Britney crazy. of course she's speeding when your dumb *** is chasing her. makes me realize how lucky we are a princess diana situation didn't happen.

- adnan helping Britney to meet up with adam streisand. chased by 50-75 vehicles. hundreds of paparazzi chasing her like it's the damn apocalypse and you're being chased by an army of zombies. helicopters. rewound that part several times and my brain still refuses to process, that's how insane this is. a national hunt, thousands of people chasing and grabbing and yelling and hunting and watching and no one gave a damn because she's crazy.  35 minutes in and I already need a drink. it's not like this is news to me either but it's just. doesn't sound real but you know it is.

- spar refuses to acknowledge he's ever met Britney but slips up right at the start, pretends he just didn't hear right. sure he refuses to verify, doesnt' take a genius to figure out why. claims confidentiality, which i guess is right, but it sure serves him more than anyone else. why would he even have to quote that if he's never met her lol. nothing forcing you to be quiet if you didn't have anything to do with it i'd say.

- Adnan saying "Let me explain to you how ******* devastating it was for me to pull up at the gates and there's her father standing there, four of the security, two officers. And they're standing there and she freaks out. "What are they doing here? Why are they here? Why is my father at my house? Who are these people? Why are the cops here?" And she looks at me. I'm supposed to be the one that protects her. And I'm trying to calm her down and I cannot. I'm trying to explain to her "He is your conservator. Without his permission, because he is you, I've kidnapped you. And it's that real". She just looks. She doesn't talk anymore. She's completely silent. they es***t her into the house." I teared up during this part. once again, when I say hatred is not a strong enough word for I feel for Jamie, I mean it.

- for the record, looking back, is even worse to watch now. because now i know it was norhing more than team con using Britney's sadness to paint a narrative, publicly. she might have thought she'd get to speak some of her truth. and they did let her show us some of her true feelings. but they twisted everything else around it so it would seem her words mean something else. sat her down on a chair, shoved a camera in her face, let her cry and then proceeded to use that to make themselves look like heroes who saved poor crying Britney. makes me sick. no blame on Andrew here from me by the way.

- Andrew said it best "the whole thing is ****ed up I'm sorry". when I watched FTR for the first time, I was, what? 12-13? To me, seeing Britney drive her car and feel free made me HAPPY. I thought how beautiful it was she got to do that again. Now I'm an adult and now I think how ****ed up is that entire ******* scene? how can you look at that and not be shocked?

- Sam Ingham lied to the court saying Britney told him she doesn't want a new lawyer. either they forced her to say this or she didn't and he just pulled it out of his ***. Ingham is off the board now but I hope to god he gets punished just like the rest of them. I truly believe back then when Goetz was still the judge, there was no chance of Britney getting out and this proves it. corrupt through and through. god bless Eliscu for trying though, because she didn't have to. she was just a journalist. and she had every reason to be scared. but she helped out anyway.

- I've always wondered why the hell Britney's medical team always agreed to team con's demands and why they always approved Britney working so much despite supposedly being too sick to care for herself. turns out they were pressured. wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't just the case during x factor, but that it's been a running theme throughout the entire cship. just the management heavily pressuring Britney's medical team anytime they wanted her to work more. in which case I wanna know why they never said 'no' but insted always gave in to those demands. that's medical failure.

- Jason. I was part of the group that thought (thinks?) he was team con, controlling Britney for them when they weren't there to do it. now I don't know what to think. it seems I was wrong about him after all, he was against the cship. he wanted to help and just like all the others got kicked out for it. 

 

 

All in all this documentary was well done. It's not meant for us fans, we know most of this already but that's fine. For people who don't know, this is a good film to show them that no, Britney is not crazy, she's being held against her will and she deserves to be free. It has one clear message, the most important one of all: she wants out. and along with it a heavy dose of doubt for anyone who watches this that a cship was ever needed. I doubt any normal person will watch this and then still think "she's crazy her dad saved her". and I think in that way the documentary succeeded. I still prefer the NYT one but I wouldn't call this a bad film, far from it. the end made me cry.

I cannot wait for the day it's announced Britney is finally free. And I wish every single person that got forcefully removed from her life for being a friend to her, for giving her hope, making her smile, making this hell a little bit more bearable, gets to reuinte with her if she wants it. I want to see her smile again, I want to see her happy again damn it.

"Jamie's abuses revealed in this film corroborate what Britney and I have said in court: Jamie Spears is toxic to the well being of Britney and she deserves to be free." - Rosengart.  a powerful message right at the end.

[kevin.]

53 minutes ago, 4darkchildney said:

The court doc situation was with Sam Lutfi and Adnan, not the dementia doctor who had an attitude

I know. The other person thought it was the weird doctor. 

[Isla]

Finally watching

[ElenaB]

i’ve just finished it - there were no significant surprises tho. however i was shocked to see ppl like lufti or adnan adressing the situation. and the doctor that didn’t want to acknowledge he evaluated her 

i watched it with my best friend and she was shocked tho - she’s posting about free britney and joining the brand boycott 

[ROL]

This was bad and I see why the doc is being critically dragged lol. I watched it with my cousin and had to pretend I enjoyed it. 2/10 at most.

[rik]

I’m sorry I couldn’t stand the two fans that’s my honest opinion however as @SUCCESSICA IS A QUEEN said …. This was for the general public. We are honestly lucky there’s so many mainstream platforms to show this. Back in Britney’s day she was so huge that everyone had a documentary on her at several points in her time. This documentary did a good job at explaining the degree of how important it is for Britney to be free. I also think that while exploitative like all documentaries not approved by artists, it just affirms further evidence that Britney does not need a conservatorship and is so much more than her situation. I know I should be on the let’s hate the documentary train, but I’m honestly glad there’s various ones that explain Britney’s situation at various degrees depending on how invested your are. I’m glad both are being used as evidence, and was referenced/will be referenced by Rosenberg in court. 
 

the one thing I don’t like is the romanticizing of Sam Lufti. I’ve spoken to him and I can promise you he is not okay and did in fact **** Britney and incite paparazzi into her home. There’s an a27 or whatever video I saw as a kid of him admitting to crushing up medication and adderall in her dinner (it’s since been sweeped). When speaking with me three years ago. he also kept insisting that he encouraged Britney to write piece of me which she didn’t do. Either way though, I’m fine with the documentary and I honestly just want to see Britney be free again to live her truth 

[HOLLYOAKS]

Seeing the paparazzi CHASE that ambulance, which should've been able to out-drive the runners, is disgusting. We did this to her. We're all guilty of driving her to insanity.

[bbbsss]

I actually kind of liked it. I still prefer the NYT documentaries, however this one was quite nicely done and possessed a lot of information that the general public might not know. It’s also on Netflix, one of the biggest streaming platforms. The more exposure this gets, the better. 

[Isla]

Finally finished! Overall, I think I prefer the NYT docs which I think dug a bit deeper but this wasn't bad. I think this is more for the general public and will give them a background of what is going on if they aren't too familar.

The doctor who evaluated Britney in 2008 (forgot his name, Spar something?) really pissed me off, he didn't bother to answer any of the questions properly. I also felt really bad for Adam, who Britney wanted to hire as her attorney after the cship was put in place. I still believe if you are under a cship you should be allowed to choose your own lawyer. Even more shocking is Britney tried to hire another lawyer in 2009 with help from the Rolling Stones journalist but Jamie was having none of that once he found out.

I'm glad they mentioned the alleged altercation between Jamie and Britney's son.

Was great to see Jordan and Felicia again although their parts were quite short.

Not sure what to make of Sam Lutfi and Adnan's comments tbh. I'm not 100% sure I trust either of them.

The ending part with Britney's testimony and the clips of her performing gave me chills

Edited September 28, 2021 by Isla

[heavyhorse]

Wait so can someone explain to me because I'm confused:

If Sam Lufti and Britney arranged that meeting for her to sign that contract in Jan 2009, does that mean she was still in communication with Sam? Because I've always thought he was a very blatantly bad guy and the "I let some really bad people into my life" comment in for the record was in reference to him. But clearly not if they were still in communication and trying to arrange this new lawyer thing?

[Isla]

2 hours ago, Persona said:

- Jason. I was part of the group that thought (thinks?) he was team con, controlling Britney for them when they weren't there to do it. now I don't know what to think. it seems I was wrong about him after all, he was against the cship. he wanted to help and just like all the others got kicked out for it. 

I was actually really surprised by the Jason stuff. For years fans thought it was weird he wanted to be a co-conservator but the doc seemed to show he had doubts about the whole thing.

[ICouldntThinkOfOne]

8 hours ago, Priya Awais said:

Fe:

"I won't touch that [Lou]. Sorry. Not worth it to me."

"I won't talk about that. "

Didn't have guts to say anything on camera.... 

 

 

Check yourself. Fe has done more than enough to support Britney. 

[Martian_M00d]

Yeah the Jason Trawick thing was interesting and offers a different point of view than most fans thought (ie he wanted in on her money). Overall the NYT doc was better as it got more in the weeds with her security and felicias beautiful commentary on britney at the end. The Netflix doc wasn't that bad, but the NYT doc was much better crafted. I expected more information from the Netflix doc after 2.5 years of research 

[Avasmom43]

I think  the times did much more to highlight the abuse & illegality hopefully that will help a fedral investigation.....netflix also released court documents that were sealed.  I pray 🙏 for Britney & her freedom.   I am just angered at the m13 years she lost with her precious 2 sons.  That is time she can never get back.   Justice is coming & I pray the scales of justice are in her favor tomorrow.   Appreciate all of you on this forum & the rest of the Britney Army. ❤😊

[JP9101]

I haven’t watched the full thing. I'm waiting my partner, he is a fan but not a stan so he is ok waiting. You know? 
 

Can we increase the attention towards the doctor? He needs to be investigated!! 
 

 

[TheLightningThief]

Points of interest:

• Ingham acting against Britney's wishes and squashing her petition to retain legal counsel

• X-Factor approved against the recommendations of the medical team (influenced by Larry)

• Jamie increasing Britney's meds dosage on working days, which explains why Britney was so off during the Femme Fatale/X-Factor era

[Balqis]

Does anyone think that if Britney is going to get back to dating that she should be dating that photog who kept her letter instead?? He's been actively & publicly vying for her freedom since the beginning (unlike Sam Asghari) and he seems to genuinely care about her wellbeing & like he has a crush on her. Man's eyes light up when he talks about her, and also seems a lil jealous when he talks about her relationship with Jason Trawick. 

 

I'm jus tryna see my queen happy, safe & secure 

[Alio]

I don't really know if I liked it or not, the Times documentaries were WAY better. I mean this one was intersting as well but it wasn't very well made.

BAD POINTS :

-I could be Ok with having Lufti but with a freaking warning and a context. I don't support the idea of letting him tell us his little story like if he wasn't a terrible person.

-I don't mind Adnan giving his side of the story but not for 25 minutes (it's like the only two people they found as "exclusive insiders". I'm sure Britney is furious about this.

-OK CAN WE TALK about this Piece of me music video picture they show for like an entire minute when it's not even Britney on the picture !!!?? ? !! That's an epic fail, I'm sorry but what a fail !!

-Too much 2007/2008, also if you spend 50 minutes talking about 2007 isn't weird you never mention the Shaving the head episode, not a single word or picture of it. 

 

GOOD POINTS :

-The fact that Louise AKA Madame Loulou has been exposed  (even the river pic was shown, I can't ahah !) 

-Hi Jordan you looked fantastic, you were REA-DY for your close up ! We have to stan !

-Finally someone talks about Jason ! Litlle is known about the time it was around (and that's many many years!)

-The bathroom moment at the hotel was brand new to me

-Fe is an angel, and I loved how she spontaniously answered how she won't touch on that one when asked about Loulou. 

 

ps : we need to investigate the doctor

ps 2 : Have you noticed how Brenda Penny's picture was on the table the whole time like "here are all the members of the gang on display". 

 

Anyway I feel very bad for Britney, really I wish we could all send her some love somehow !

She needs to be free ASAP

 

[Broccoli Spears]

Thoughts:

For the general public who have no clue what’s happening it serves well as a basic introduction and continues the argument that Britney’s father is, and has always been, abusive. It is also did well to highlight a few key names that seem to fly under the radar a lot outside of the fandom.

Overall, it was very amateur though. I can’t even with that piece of me freeze-frame! I was pretty surprised how much time was given to Adnan and Sam. And there were also missed opportunities to utilise some of the people they interviewed. What was the point of including Jordan, Fe, etc. if they weren’t going to deep dive into their experiences and knowledge. Although part of me thinks so much was being said by what little Fe was willing to say. 

In regards to the cinematographer - it’s obvious he was more worried about losing his job at the time than his concerns for Britney. He is no hero in this story. He may feel remorseful now but at the time he had multiple opportunities to help her but failed to. 

Obviously the New York Times documentaries are better and more significant in highlighting the abuse Britney has endured but Netflix will bring Britney’s case to more people and hopefully the #freebritney movement continues to get louder,

All eyes on Pennywise today. The world is watching.