Was Sam Lutfi hired by Team CON? : A Research Thread

[Steel Magnolia]

1 hour ago, Justin Woodpond said:

A thought: Could be that Lou JL purposefully hired Freedman as a way to hinder Lufti’s threats.

Seeing as Lutfi recently threatened legal action against JL following her book release, what better way to ensure he doesn’t hire Freedman - who specialises in entertainment legalities - again.

As a general rule, no lawyer in a single firm can represent a client if another attorney (in the same firm) is representing an opposing party.

I imagine that’s how Lou thinks. Pull the rug out from under them before they know what’s what. 

Brilliant!

I wouldn't put it past her.

[Steel Magnolia]

1 hour ago, Justin Woodpond said:

I wonder could Larry (or his protege Dan Dymtrow) be the one funding Lutfi? Larry is definitely involved in all this, but from a very safe distance, which is why no one ever mentions him. 

It’s a about time we do!

Could he have hired Lutfi?

Wow.

I had never considered that Dan Dymtrow was a double agent, keeping an eye on the workings of Britney's LLC's until Larry could worm his way back in...Very possible!

[Applejack]

7 minutes ago, Steel Magnolia said:

@Applejack Is this anything you can help with?

i'm afraid not :(

tried to look for it, their record keeping is shaky

[Justin Woodpond]

38 minutes ago, TimeSpaceJoyLoveKnee said:

Has anyone found the initial complaint with the Labor Commissioner that Britney filed against Larry in April 2007? I've only seen the dismissal from 2008. 

This theory may have already been brought up before but if Larry hired Sam, do you think he was also paying paparazzi to follow Britney around. Even Kaplan said he doesn't have to do much work to prove why Kevin should have the kids. Just look at the media frenzy. Sam admitted that he was tipping them off wherever they went. And Larry was (in my opinion inappropriately) involved in the custody case from the testimony he gave. Maybe Sam and the paps came as a package deal to make her look crazy? 

Definitely they came as a package deal.

Sam and the paparazzi worked hand in hand while he was with Britney. He saw them as positive influences. What’s the bets Lufti got a hefty cut of the “million dollar” price-tag on pictures of Britney he was setting up to be taken. If he stood to gain $$$ likely he was paying the pays to follow her around. 

Kaplan said a lot of thing, but there is evidence (Michal Sands!! for one) that he went to great lengths paint Britney in an unfavourable light.

At that moment in time who had the most to gain? Kaplan/K-Fed and Lufti $$$

[Justin Woodpond]

46 minutes ago, TimeSpaceJoyLoveKnee said:

Has anyone found the initial complaint with the Labor Commissioner that Britney filed against Larry in April 2007? I've only seen the dismissal from 2008. 

This theory may have already been brought up before but if Larry hired Sam, do you think he was also paying paparazzi to follow Britney around. Even Kaplan said he doesn't have to do much work to prove why Kevin should have the kids. Just look at the media frenzy. Sam admitted that he was tipping them off wherever they went. And Larry was (in my opinion inappropriately) involved in the custody case from the testimony he gave. Maybe Sam and the paps came as a package deal to make her look crazy? 

 

33 minutes ago, Steel Magnolia said:

@Applejack Is this anything you can help with?

 

12 minutes ago, Applejack said:

i'm afraid not :(

tried to look for it, their record keeping is shaky

You mean this?

https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/TAC/TAC-03744 Britney Spears v Laurence Rudolph et al.pdf

I have too much time on my hands 

 

[Tar_isa]

21 minutes ago, Steel Magnolia said:

Brilliant!

I wouldn't put it past her.

Interesting... but do we know when Freedman stopped representing Lutfi? If it was as long ago as 2009 I'm not sure that strategy makes much sense

 

23 minutes ago, Steel Magnolia said:

We had considered that Lutfi had been hired by a few different people, but in the "Twelve Account Current" thread I think we'd narrowed it down to two possible suspects:

1) Lou M. Taylor
2) Larry Rudolph

With assistance by Blair Berk.
 

Something doesn't fully click for me to think it's actually L0u who hired him, mainly because of how annoying he actually is to them (thinking of the smuggled phones and toilet meetings to retain a lawyer in '09, etc). I kind of think the connection is somewhere else.

Reading this thread I just remembered how when Cade first spoke up on insta he said that, contrary to what people thought, a man who was present in B's life for many years was actually on her side. I immediately thought he was talking about Larry, but I couldn't see how he was on her side

Not sure this makes any sense but I'm just throwing it out there just for the sake of brainstorming... What if he was funding Lutfi's little war (wether real or apparent, that's another discussion) against the con? Then that statement would kind of make sense?

Again, I'm not sure it makes sense and don't want to go all conspiracy theory here, just playing "what if", but I just thought I'd share this random thought.

 

[Tar_isa]

1 hour ago, Justin Woodpond said:

Gans is also Courtney Love’s lawyer, he represented her against the defamation suit brought by Dawn Simorangkir (Simorangkir was represented by none other than Bryan Freedman…and Jesse Kaplan, son of Mark Vincent??..)

Love probably introduced Gans to Lutfi. Whatever that case, it appears its a very very small legal world in Hollywood.

Never not surprised at how all these people who have been involved against each other just happen to share lawyers 

[Justin Woodpond]

1 hour ago, Tar_isa said:

Interesting... but do we know when Freedman stopped representing Lutfi? If it was as long ago as 2009 I'm not sure that strategy makes much sense

 

Something doesn't fully click for me to think it's actually L0u who hired him, mainly because of how annoying he actually is to them (thinking of the smuggled phones and toilet meetings to retain a lawyer in '09, etc). I kind of think the connection is somewhere else.

Reading this thread I just remembered how when Cade first spoke up on insta he said that, contrary to what people thought, a man who was present in B's life for many years was actually on her side. I immediately thought he was talking about Larry, but I couldn't see how he was on her side

Not sure this makes any sense but I'm just throwing it out there just for the sake of brainstorming... What if he was funding Lutfi's little war (wether real or apparent, that's another discussion) against the con? Then that statement would kind of make sense?

Again, I'm not sure it makes sense and don't want to go all conspiracy theory here, just playing "what if", but I just thought I'd share this random thought.

 

I always thought that Cade was referring to Dan Dymtrow. 

The timelines work. He was by Britney's side from more or less the beginning. So the “25 years” Cade mentioned more or less fit (1997 - 2022).

I wrote about this before in another thread (see below). This is what I found out about him. What do you think?

In 1997, Dymtrow moved to New York and landed an internship at Larry's law firm 'Rudolph & Beer'. The internship “quickly turned into a full-time position” after which Dymtrow became Larry's permanent right hand man in 1998, and the ‘Day to Day Manager’ for Britney at the inception of her career.

Dymtrow eventually replaced Larry to became Britney's full time professional manager in 2004, after she fired Rudolf for the first time;  both leaving Reindeer entertainment together. Dymtrow had been Vice President of Reindeer Entertainment at this point (between 2002-2004).

After leaving Larry behind, Dymtrov set up his own management company, Dmand Management (Fe and him follow one another on Insta, I've noticed). Right around this moment in time (2003/2004), Dymtrov only had two clients.  One was Britney. The other was none other than Taylor swift. Things looked promising.

When Brit divorced Kevin in late 2006 (finalized in Nov 2006), she reluctantly went back to being managed by Larry, and Dymtrov ceased working with her in an official capacity in Oct 2006 (according to his LinkedIn). This might have had something to do with the fact that he had his hands full (managing Taylor Swift, whom he discovered in 2003 aged 14), and a HUGE conflict of interest as Dymtrov was also managing Britney 's now ex-husband and mimesis K-Fed. 

2007 must have been a difficult year for Dymtrov.  Though nowhere near as bad as Brit's. He was now clientless.  K-Fed's career had tanked into oblivion (no surprise there). And after being ceremoniously dropped by Swift in 2006 (the moment she signed with Big Machine records), Dymtrov sued her and her father for millions in unpaid commissions. All the while his “friend” and former client of him was being forced into various rehab clinics. Britney then fired Rudolf for a second time in mid-2007.  She was now manager-less

After Dymtrov eventually won his case against the Swifts in 2012, he was hired by Maverick (now Larry firm) as a top management executive in 2013. Larry must have forgiven him for his sins, namely running off with Britney in 2004 (which is forgivable, though managing K-Fed is not). There he professionally managed/co-managed music artists, including Avril Lavigne, Nicole Scherzinger, Fifth Harmony, Noah Cyrus, Kim Petras, and Kirstin Maldonado (of Pentatonix). And presumably Britney

Clearly, Dymtrov has always been there (since 1997) behind the scenes quietly working with Larry / Brit. Though he could have easily slipped through the net. Until now that is.

 

 

[Justin Woodpond]

34 minutes ago, Tar_isa said:

Interesting... but do we know when Freedman stopped representing Lutfi? If it was as long ago as 2009 I'm not sure that strategy makes much sense

 

Something doesn't fully click for me to think it's actually L0u who hired him, mainly because of how annoying he actually is to them (thinking of the smuggled phones and toilet meetings to retain a lawyer in '09, etc). I kind of think the connection is somewhere else.

Reading this thread I just remembered how when Cade first spoke up on insta he said that, contrary to what people thought, a man who was present in B's life for many years was actually on her side. I immediately thought he was talking about Larry, but I couldn't see how he was on her side

Not sure this makes any sense but I'm just throwing it out there just for the sake of brainstorming... What if he was funding Lutfi's little war (wether real or apparent, that's another discussion) against the con? Then that statement would kind of make sense?

Again, I'm not sure it makes sense and don't want to go all conspiracy theory here, just playing "what if", but I just thought I'd share this random thought.

 

Freedman is one of the top entertainment litigation lawyers in Hollywood, if you were going after someone (JL/Lou) in that field you’d hire him.

Freedman represented Lutfi in the first TRO case in 2009. How long after was he retained by Lutfi who knows.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/apr/29/britney-spears-former-manager?CMP=gu_com

If Lou thought Lutfi was going to hire “the best” i.e Freedman, it might make sense to nab him before Lutfi could. But it’s just a theory. Who knows. Freedman has worked with half of Hollywood (by the looks of it) so it might very well be just a coincidence.

[Steel Magnolia]

46 minutes ago, Tar_isa said:

Interesting... but do we know when Freedman stopped representing Lutfi? If it was as long ago as 2009 I'm not sure that strategy makes much sense

As recently as 2017.

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la2-freedman-taitelman-llp-vs-sam-lutfi-1492642

I don't know if it was from 2008 straight through to 2016/2017...But I'm searching.

[Tar_isa]

19 minutes ago, Justin Woodpond said:

Freedman is one of the top entertainment litigation lawyers in Hollywood, if you were going after someone (JL/Lou) in that field you’d hire him.

Freedman represented Lutfi in the first TRO case in 2009. How long after was he retained by Lutfi who knows.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/apr/29/britney-spears-former-manager?CMP=gu_com

If Lou thought Lutfi was going to hire “the best” i.e Freedman, it might make sense to nab him out before he could. But it’s just a theory. Who knows. He’s worked with half of Hollywood so it might very well be just a coincidence.

Hmmm could make sense, yeah. Then again, as you say it could be just a coincidence. And I actually do believe in coincidences, especially in a place like Hollywood where everyone seems to be mixed up. I guess we'll never know.

 

36 minutes ago, Justin Woodpond said:

I always thought that Cade was referring to Dan Dymtrow. 

The timelines work. He was by Britney's side from more or less the beginning. So the “25 years” Cade mentioned more or less fit (1997 - 2022).

I wrote about this before in another thread (see below). This is what I found on him

In 1997, Dymtrow, fresh out of Uni with a pre-med degree (psychology and sociology), moved to New York and landed an internship at Larry's law firm 'Rudolph & Beer' (Beer btw discovered Lady gaga, casting her in an all girl group No Secrets in 2003, when she was only 16). The internship “quickly turned into a full-time position” after which Dymtrow became Larry's right hand man, and the ‘Day to Day Manager’ for Britney at the inception of her career, right when Larry started managing her.

Dymtrow eventually replaced Larry to became Britney's full time professional manager in 2004, after she fired Rudolf for the first time;  both leaving Reindeer entertainment together hand in hand. Dymtrow had been Vice President of Reindeer Entertainment at this point (between 2002-2004).

After leaving Larry behind, Dymtrov set up his own management company, Dmand Management (Fe and him follow one another on Insta, I've noticed; a good sign?).  Right around this moment in time (2003/2004), Dymtrov only had two clients.  One was Britney.  The other was none other than Taylor swift.  Things looked promising.

 When Brit divorced Kevin in late 2006 (finalized in Nov 2006), she reluctantly went back to being managed by Larry, and Dymtrov ceased working with her in an official capacity in Oct 2006 (according to his LinkedIn). This might have had something to do with the fact that he had his hands full (managing Taylor Swift, whom he discovered in 2003 aged 14), and a HUGE conflict of interest as Dymtrov was also managing Britney 's now ex-husband and mimesis K-Fed. 

2007 must have been a difficult year for Dymtrov.  Though nowhere near as bad as Brit's.  He was now clientless.  K-Fed's career had tanked into oblivion (no surprise there).  And after being ceremoniously dropped by Swift in 2006 (the moment she signed with Big Machine records), Dymtrov sued her and her father de ella for millions in unpaid commissions (father Swift claimed any contract signed by an underage Taylor was null and void).  All the while his “friend” and former client of him was being forced into various rehab clinics.  Britney then fired Rudolf for a second time in mid-2007.  She was now manager-less

After Dymtrov eventually won his case against the Swifts in 2012, he was hired by Maverick (Larry) as a top management executive in 2013. Larry must have forgiven him for his sins, namely running off with Britney in 2004 (which is forgivable, though managing K-Fed is not). There he professionally managed/co-managed music artists, including Avril Lavigne, Nicole Scherzinger, Fifth Harmony, Noah Cyrus, Kim Petras, and Kirstin Maldonado (of Pentatonix). And presumably Britney

Clearly, Dymtrov has always been there (since 1997) behind the scenes quietly working with Larry / Brit. Though he could have easily slipped through the net.  Until now that is.

 

 

Wow, I knew she'd left Larry and this guy had managed her for a while but this was a lot of new specific info I didn't know about, the rabbit holw always gets deeper... 

It fits, although I would only buy this theory if he started working with Lutfi after the Con was put in place... otherwise, I think Larry fits better because I do believe he had an interest in pushing her over the edge (hence Lutfi working with the paps, controlling her, giving her pills, constantly talking to Lynne -and Larry?-). What interest would Dan have in hiring Lutfi back then?

EDIT: Just realized I'm talking from the assumption that the person Cade was talking about is the same person who paid Lutfi. I am now convinced those are two different people and your theory actually makes total sense, it was probably Dan who Cade was refering to.

[Steel Magnolia]

56 minutes ago, Tar_isa said:

Not sure this makes any sense but I'm just throwing it out there just for the sake of brainstorming... What if he was funding Lutfi's little war (wether real or apparent, that's another discussion) against the con? Then that statement would kind of make sense?

I've never seen Lutfi as being against the CON.

He claims he is publicly, but his actions point to something completely different.

I believe Lutfi wanted to be a part of the CON...As recently as May 2019 he was encouraging Lynne to take the reins and replace Jamie as conservator.

He can tell all the tall tales he wants on Twitter...But his actions as captured through court documents tell a different story.

[Applejack]

1 hour ago, Justin Woodpond said:

You mean this?

https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/TAC/TAC-03744 Britney Spears v Laurence Rudolph et al.pdf

I have too much time on my hands

that's the dismissal and it doesn't explain much, what I did not find is the initial complaint

[Steel Magnolia]

By 2015, Bryan Freedman was no longer repping Lutfi in his lawsuit against Lynne Spears.

"B246253 03-11-2015 SAM LUTFI, Plaintiff and Appellant, v. LYNNE SPEARS et al., Defendants and Respondents; ANDREW M. WALLET, as Coconservator, etc., Respondent. CHAVEZ Law Offices of Gregory R. Ellis, Gregory R. Ellis and Natasha A. Bhushan for Plaintiff and Appellant. Stephen F. Rohde for Defendant and Respondent Lynne Spears. Gladstone Michel Weisberg Willner & Sloane, Leon J. Gladstone and Michael J. Aiken for Defendant and Respondent James Parnell Spears. Bird, Marella, Boxer, Wolpert, Nessim, Drooks, Linceberg & Rhow, Joel E. Boxer and Bonita D. Moore for Respondents James P. Spears and Andrew M. Wallet as Conservators of the Estate of Britney Jean Spears"

https://casetext.com/case/lutfi-v-spears/

I'm not sure when he stopped.

However, we still have Freedman around in 2016/2017...

Check in out, though...Freedman was suing Lutfi. I didn't catch it earlier, but he was likely going after him for what, unpaid fees?

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la2-freedman-taitelman-llp-vs-sam-lutfi-1492642

[Justin Woodpond]

26 minutes ago, Steel Magnolia said:

As recently as 2017.

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la2-freedman-taitelman-llp-vs-sam-lutfi-1492642

I don't know if it was from 2008 straight through to 2016/2017...But I'm searching.

This document only proves that Lutfi was representing himself in a litigation case against Freedman & Taitelman.

Not that he was working with them.

[Steel Magnolia]

1 minute ago, Justin Woodpond said:

This document only proves that Lutfi was representing himself in a litigation case against Freedman & Taitelman.

Not that he was working with them.

Correct. I just posted above.

By 2015, he was working with different lawyers on the case...I'm not sure when Freedman exited, but I'll keep searching.

[Justin Woodpond]

55 minutes ago, Tar_isa said:

Hmmm could make sense, yeah. Then again, as you say it could be just a coincidence. And I actually do believe in coincidences, especially in a place like Hollywood where everyone seems to be mixed up. I guess we'll never know.

 

Wow, I knew she'd left Larry and this guy had managed her for a while but this was a lot of new specific info I didn't know about, the rabbit holw always gets deeper... 

It fits, although I would only buy this theory if he started working with Lutfi after the Con was put in place... otherwise, I think Larry fits better because I do believe he had an interest in pushing her over the edge (hence Lutfi working with the paps, controlling her, giving her pills, constantly talking to Lynne -and Larry?-). What interest would Dan have in hiring Lutfi back then?

EDIT: Just realized I'm talking from the assumption that the person Cade was talking about is the same person who paid Lutfi. I am now convinced those are two different people and your theory actually makes total sense, it was probably Dan who Cade was refering to.

I mean Larry’s been with Britney since 1995 (27 years), and Dan 1997 (25) years. He really has to be the man. IMO

 

As for who hired and/or payed for Lutfi’s legal representation. well we could be here all night figuring that out.

Who do you suspect?

[Justin Woodpond]

14 minutes ago, Steel Magnolia said:

Correct. I just posted above.

By 2015, he was working with different lawyers on the case...I'm not sure when Freedman exited, but I'll keep searching.

Try Twitter you’ll always find something there.

[Steel Magnolia]

@RebellionSparkles Here's something (possibly) interesting...

Do we have the accounting for all of the 13 years of the CON, or just the first and the last?

It's a long shot, but I'm wondering if Lutfi's legal representation was paid for out of Britney's estate...Is there any way to find out?

"B246253 03-11-2015 SAM LUTFI, Plaintiff and Appellant, v. LYNNE SPEARS et al., Defendants and Respondents; ANDREW M. WALLET, as Coconservator, etc., Respondent. CHAVEZ Law Offices of Gregory R. Ellis, Gregory R. Ellis and Natasha A. Bhushan for Plaintiff and Appellant. Stephen F. Rohde for Defendant and Respondent Lynne Spears. Gladstone Michel Weisberg Willner & Sloane, Leon J. Gladstone and Michael J. Aiken for Defendant and Respondent James Parnell Spears. Bird, Marella, Boxer, Wolpert, Nessim, Drooks, Linceberg & Rhow, Joel E. Boxer and Bonita D. Moore for Respondents James P. Spears and Andrew M. Wallet as Conservators of the Estate of Britney Jean Spears"

[Tar_isa]

40 minutes ago, Steel Magnolia said:

I've never seen Lutfi as being against the CON.

He claims he is publicly, but his actions point to something completely different.

I believe Lutfi wanted to be a part of the CON...As recently as May 2019 he was encouraging Lynne to take the reins and replace Jamie as conservator.

He can tell all the tall tales he wants on Twitter...But his actions as captured through court documents tell a different story.

Didn't he contact Jenny Eliscu to smuggle the papers from the attorney (i forget the name) in that toilet? Also wasn't his sister smuggling phones? I don't think he was going truly against the con, don't take me wrong, that's why I wrote "(wether real or apparent, that's another discussion)", but at least he kind of performed that role.

That said, I am now backtracking from what I said in my earlier post because I no longer believe Cade was talking about Larry.

 

29 minutes ago, Steel Magnolia said:

However, we still have Freedman around in 2016/2017...

Check in out, though...Freedman was suing Lutfi. I didn't catch it earlier, but he was likely going after him for what, unpaid fees?

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la2-freedman-taitelman-llp-vs-sam-lutfi-1492642

I just saw this https://twitter.com/lawyersforbrit/status/1484190286880329732?s=20