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Hmm… Iran (and most of the Middle East) has always been a ****hole. I don’t care what “great culture” they supposedly had…minorities, gay people and women are literally abused by law and no beautiful scenery or whatever will change that. It’s not just “culturally different”, it’s barbaric and hateful. 

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I had to watch a couple of times because I got distracted. :makeitrain_britney_blush_headphones_omg_wow_happy: I'd never heard his voice before, it's so hot. And can we talk about the fact that there's a rose on his pocket? He's such a supportive husband! Where's his ring, though?

Now back to the actual topic at hand, you can tell he truly loves his country and hates what it's become. It's sad when the government of a place clashes so intrinsically with its people. It's happened before; China. North Korea. Sadly, it will always happen as long as horrible people exist.

I think it's great that he's using his rising platform to speak about this issue, maybe he can make some real change. Sadly, people who speak out against dictatorial regimes end up targeted. I hope it's not the case here. He doesn't deserve to be taken out for speaking his truth, and let's be honest, I have a bias and don't want Britney to be sad. Which she very much would be if the Iranian government sent someone to take Sam out. And before you call me out for being paranoid, it's all over the news that Putin's inner circle is getting taken out one by one as we speak and it's bone-chilling.

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1 hour ago, Dave92 said:

Hmm… Iran (and most of the Middle East) has always been a ****hole. I don’t care what “great culture” they supposedly had…minorities, gay people and women are literally abused by law and no beautiful scenery or whatever will change that. It’s not just “culturally different”, it’s barbaric and hateful. 

That’s Iran’s government and the Islamic Regime which does not represent its people. Go educate yourself on what’s been happening to Iran for the last four decades before you make such a prejudice comment. ***hole’s? Really? Iranian people are some of the sweetest, hard-working and most loyal people I know. The country is being ran by a barbaric and hateful Islamic regime that has threatened, killed, dehumanized and martyred hundreds of thousands of their own people. The people of Iran do NOT support the Islamic Regime because it has stripped them of their basic human rights. Iran is also the biggest exporter of ex-Muslims because of its government’s atrocities. Remember that religion should never be enforced upon anyone and every individual should have a right to choose what religion to practice from, if any. That is essentially what Iran is protesting. It’s also a reason why many escaped their country in hopes for a better future.

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3 hours ago, Joshyworld said:

That’s Iran’s government and the Islamic Regime which does not represent its people. Go educate yourself on what’s been happening to Iran for the last four decades before you make such a prejudice comment. ***hole’s? Really? Iranian people are some of the sweetest, hard-working and most loyal people I know. The country is being ran by a barbaric and hateful Islamic regime that has threatened, killed, dehumanized and martyred hundreds of thousands of their own people. The people of Iran do NOT support the Islamic Regime because it has stripped them of their basic human rights. Iran is also the biggest exporter of ex-Muslims because of its government’s atrocities. Remember that religion should never be enforced upon anyone and every individual should have a right to choose what religion to practice from, if any. That is essentially what Iran is protesting. It’s also a reason why many escaped their country in hopes for a better future.

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I didn’t blame the people - although a huge part of them is part of the problem - it’s no coincidence the Middle East is what it is. The Middle East in general is just a crazy violation of human rights. I support Sam’s position and of course the protest is justified, but to act as if things used to be perfect there in the past… hmm no. Have women ever had real freedom? Has it ever been safe for LGBT people there? It’s like that all over the Middle East, as long we continue to act like it’s normal then nothing’s gonna change.

I hope the protest picks up and these Islamic countries finally get with the times and stop hating everything and everyone that isn’t just like them. 

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15 hours ago, Dave92 said:

Hmm… Iran (and most of the Middle East) has always been a ****hole. I don’t care what “great culture” they supposedly had…minorities, gay people and women are literally abused by law and no beautiful scenery or whatever will change that. It’s not just “culturally different”, it’s barbaric and hateful. 

 

10 hours ago, Dave92 said:

I didn’t blame the people - although a huge part of them is part of the problem - it’s no coincidence the Middle East is what it is. The Middle East in general is just a crazy violation of human rights. I support Sam’s position and of course the protest is justified, but to act as if things used to be perfect there in the past… hmm no. Have women ever had real freedom? Has it ever been safe for LGBT people there? It’s like that all over the Middle East, as long we continue to act like it’s normal then nothing’s gonna change.

I hope the protest picks up and these Islamic countries finally get with the times and stop hating everything and everyone that isn’t just like them. 

You do realize these issues heavily exist in the rest of the world right? including secular countries and countries with other religions.

Gay people in the Middle East have way bigger struggles than I want to kiss my boyfriend in public and get married to a man.

The Middle East suffers more from western human right violation, crimes, and interference. All the human rights violation you claim to care about is also committed by your government on us, but it doesnt have the LGBTQ and Feminnism label on them so you dont care about it.

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9 minutes ago, fays1 said:

 

You do realize these issues heavily exist in the rest of the world right? including secular countries and countries with other religions. The Middle East suffers more from western terrorism, and western puppet government than Gay rights issues. Even Gay people in the Middle East dont care that much about Gay rights as they have bigger struggles than I want to kiss my boyfriend in public and get married.

Yeah, let’s blame “western terrorism” (lol) for the religious terrorism that goes on in the Middle East. It has nothing to do with Stone Age thinking or religion, God forbid. It’s the west. Right. 

I can’t believe you’re actually downplaying the LGBT struggle in the Middle East (except in Israel and Turkey, maybe Lebanon) as if not being able to get married is their main concern regarding their ***uality. How about the fact its literally illegal and might get them killed or incarcerated? This casual attitude about it and blaming others is exactly why it’s still so many people’s sad reality. The west has its issues too, but let’s not pretend it’s even comparable. 

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8 hours ago, Dave92 said:

Yeah, let’s blame “western terrorism” (lol) for the religious terrorism that goes on in the Middle East. It has nothing to do with Stone Age thinking or religion, God forbid. It’s the west. Right. 

I can’t believe you’re actually downplaying the LGBT struggle in the Middle East (except in Israel and Turkey, maybe Lebanon) as if not being able to get married is their main concern regarding their ***uality. How about the fact its literally illegal and might get them killed or incarcerated? This casual attitude about it and blaming others is exactly why it’s still so many people’s sad reality. 

I am Gay living in the Middle East, so im clearly not down playing anything, im simply saying we have much more struggles we care about than Gay rights. For example, the western view of a free Muslim woman is for her to take off her scarf and let her hair free, when in reality Muslim women dont care about that, they have bigger issues than not wearing hijab.

Im not blaming western countries, im simply saying western countries committ the same crimes in different ways. They might not kill someone because they are Gay, but they will drone innocent people without accountability and commit war crimes. Or torture and jail people in concenration camps without a trial for decades, and if a journalist reports on it, they jail him like Julian Assange.

Not to mention their involvement in these Islamic governments you hate. Yes western governments dont fully take the blame, but if you get involved, you must take some accountability in the involvement. Ever educated yourself about how Iran turned into a Islamic republic? its common knowledge by now

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11 minutes ago, fays1 said:

I am Gay living in the Middle East, so im clearly not down playing anything, im simply saying we have much more important struggles over Gay rights.

For example, the western view of a free Muslim woman is for her to take off her scarf and let her hair free. When in reality Muslim women dont really care about that, they have bigger issues than not wearing hijab.

And im not blaming western countries, im simply saying western countries committ the same crimes you claim to care about in different ways. They might not kill someone because they are Gay, but they will drone a school without accountability. Or torture and jail people for decades without a trial for decades, and try to hide evidence.

Not to mention their involvement in these Islamic governments you hate. Yes they dont fully take they blame, but if you get involved, you must take some accountability in the involvement. Ever educated yourself about how Iran turned into a Islamic country?

Just because you find it tolerable that gay people and women can just hide themselves because they have bigger things to worry about doesn’t mean it’s okay for those that are literally killed or incarcerated over it.

How can you even justify it by saying Muslim women have much bigger concerns than not wearing hijab? That poor woman was literally beaten to death by their stupid police. Sorry, that’s not acceptable no matter how many “similarities” you claim to see in western countries. 

As for the west “droning” schools… Ever educated yourself on WHY terrorists hide around school and hospitals? They use them as a human shield. Where is their accountability? That’s an entirely different subject I’m not even gonna get into - but that’s a really bad example. Why would you even think to justify it as a gay person?

P.s not trying to be offensive, I just think you’re a bit biased in a “patriotic” way. It’s understandable, but justifying heinous crimes that are performed on a daily basis just cause “the west isn’t perfect too” won’t get the Middle East anywhere. 

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8 hours ago, Dave92 said:

Just because you find it tolerable that gay people and women have bigger things to worry about doesn’t mean it’s okay for those that are literally killed or incarcerated over it.

How can you even justify it by saying Muslim women have much bigger concerns than not wearing hijab? That poor woman was literally beaten to death by their stupid police. Sorry, that’s not acceptable no matter how many “similarities” you claim to see in western countries. 

As for the west “droning” schools… Ever educated yourself on WHY terrorists hide around school and hospitals? They use them as a human shield. Where is their accountability? 

P.s not trying to be offensive, I just think you’re a bit biased in a “patriotic” way. It’s understandable, but justifying heinous crimes that are performed on a daily basis just cause “the west isn’t perfect too” won’t get the Middle East anywhere. 

My comment was not about Iran, it was about Islamic countries in general as thats what your comment was about. Iran is the only Islamic country out of 55 Islamic countries where hijab is inforced. I wont judge Christianity based on its worst example like taking an African Christian country and use it as an example.

I wont go into details of western human rights violations, its public knowledge at this point. But western crimes are heald with a completely different standard, and are socially and lawfully accepted till this day. These western crimes are comitted on a daily basis massively on a worldwide scale, its not just one incident. Even concentration camps like Guantanamo Bay illegally still exist and nobody says anything about it.

Im not coming from a place of patriotism as I dont believe in that. I believe Muslim countries have many issues, which is why I would agree if you simply said the Middle East have a Gay rights issue they have to deal with. But you said way more than that which is why I had to disagreed with you. Yes there should be criticism towards the Middle East, but to call us all a ****hole place thats uniquely bad with bad culture, and paint us all (including citizents) with a broad brush is wrong.

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7 hours ago, Dave92 said:

Hmm… Iran (and most of the Middle East) has always been a ****hole. I don’t care what “great culture” they supposedly had…minorities, gay people and women are literally abused by law and no beautiful scenery or whatever will change that. It’s not just “culturally different”, it’s barbaric and hateful. 

Just like literally the entire planet until very recently (like, 40 years ago). Women jailed in they'd wear pants in France, segregation in the US, s0d0my laws literally almost everywhere (including in Norway until the 70s-80s), blabla. They're just like the whole world has always been until very recently. It might take some additional time for some change according to the country you're talking about. You're targeting laws, which are different from culture (architecture, language, literature, philosophy, food, cities, etc.). Do you consider Ancient Greece to be a sh**h*le? Because women had no rights, and weren't even considered as citizens (they were below men in every single aspect, and slightly above slave; they had less rights than ex-slaves though). Do you consider 50s-US as a sh**h*le? Segregation + 0 rights for gays + limited rights for women. Separate these things carefully.

 

48 minutes ago, fays1 said:

 

You do realize these issues heavily exist in the rest of the world right? including secular countries and countries with other religions. The Middle East suffers more from western human right violation and crimes, and western puppet government than Gay rights issues. Even Gay people in the Middle East dont care that much about Gay rights as they have bigger struggles than I want to kiss my boyfriend in public and get married.

Exactly. Most of these countries are dictatorships. They'll only be able to fight for gay rights when they'd... get the freedom to fight for something. Some countries are achieving it (Tunisia, Lebanon, Morocco). But at the moment for most it's not their priority. You can hide being gay pretty well, especially in countries with gender-segregation, you can't hide being a woman or a minority. 

Also, Iran is the only country in the world that applies death penalty for gays. Saudi Arabia stopped doing that a long time ago; in Mauritania, you can be sentenced up to 3 years in jail max and even then it's generally if you're caught up doing it in public. Most don't care because jail-space isn't extensible and there's more urgent matters, and also because they have partnerships with UNO so they're being discreet about it. Iran is already blacklisted and backed up by Russia so they don't mind. 

39 minutes ago, Dave92 said:

Yeah, let’s blame “western terrorism” (lol) for the religious terrorism that goes on in the Middle East. It has nothing to do with Stone Age thinking or religion, God forbid. It’s the west. Right. 

I can’t believe you’re actually downplaying the LGBT struggle in the Middle East (except in Israel and Turkey, maybe Lebanon) as if not being able to get married is their main concern regarding their ***uality. How about the fact its literally illegal and might get them killed or incarcerated? This casual attitude about it and blaming others is exactly why it’s still so many people’s sad reality. The west has its issues too, but let’s not pretend it’s even comparable. 

Yes, the West (mainly the US and the UK) and Russia played a pretty big part regarding the rise of religious extremism in the Middle East throughout the last century. They're aren't the main reason, but a significant factor.

- After Ottoman's defeat in WWI, the British helped the riots occurring in the regions of the Middle East which ended up in an implosion of the Empire with different individual states. Long story short: just like Germany huge tax-payments & sanctions (which indirectly led to WWII), the Ottoman Empire had to cede all of these countries (with the exception of Turkey) to British mandates. It's different from colonisation, it's rather mandates to give some time for governments to form (a transition), and most were really short-term. British had other colonies in other parts of the world with France & Italy. Obviously, they had some oil interests. But their poor management of the transition led to the establishment of Saudi Arabia controlled by... the Saudi family. Another key point is Israel-Palestine: their poor management led to a conflict that overspread in the entirety of the Middle East: the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians that were chased went as refugees in neighboring countries. Lebanon was religiously heterogeneous. Long-story short: civil war because some Palestinians organized their resistance from there, and some events were (often incorrectly) accused to be made by them. Multiple-decades civil war. Now, a party in Iran tries to defend the Shias from Lebanon, etc.

- About Iran: Sam is wrong on so many levels. Iran wasn't a "country of freedom" before the Revolution, it's one of the biggest historical misconceptions you can make about Iran. In 1953, the CIA and the MI6 (UK-equivalent of the CIA) organized a coup d'État. Result: Mossadegh, a modernist that actually made Iran wealthier and freer (and nationalized the national oil company), was replaced by Pahlavi, who transformed Iran into a huge dictatorship. Completely crazy. A lot of people were killed, protests broke out, etc etc etc: he also repressed religious people. So Iranians revolted and answered to repression with the Revolution. Which ended up being another dictature. Just different. Still a dictature. Following Iran-gate a lot of sanctions occurred and killed the country. Poorer country = less education. Still, the majority doesn't enjoy the current government.

Result: UK & US are responsible for the Revolution. Why did they do that? Because they wanted an oil-ally (the previous minister nationalized it) and a strategic position during the Cold War.

- Afghanistan: 1964, Zahir Chah established a constitutional monarchy based on the 4th French Republic and granted a lot of freedom for his population. 1978: communist coup d'État, brutal reforms. Brejnev (USSR) supported the Communists. Carter supported the Islamists. 1979: Russia sends 600,000 men and basically starts a decade-long civil war between Russians, nationalist Afghans, communist Afghans. In the meantime, the Moudjahidins (quite similar to Talibans) were... TRAINED secretly by the CIA through the "cyclone operation" and financed by the US and Saudi Arabia; each one of them gave 3 BILLION DOLLARS. Al Qaida was born during that time. Irony: the US indirectly provoked the formation of Al-Qaida (1987, Ben Laden and Azzam trained Pakistani Mudjahidins to go to war in Afghanistan) and the training of some of its recruits during the war. Then came another American failure... the intervention to "bRiNg dEmOcRaCy" in Afghanistan. 2022: Talibans are in office, women can't go to school anymore. Congrats USA! I'm wondering how the country would be without being in war since the 70s, and without the US training Mudjahidins. Would 9/11 have happened? I don't think so. 

- Iraq: probably one of the biggest disasters in history. Invasion of Iraq on the basis of false proofs. By the US. Approved and helped by the UK. Thankfully, France refused (explaining the French bashing campaign in the 2000s saying that French are cowards). They illegally invaded Iraq to overthrown the dictator that was there and to BrInG DeMoCrACy (quite interesting considering that Iraq is massively rich in terms of natural resources). UNO refused any intervention. They turned the entire country into a war zone with different militias. A lot, a lot, a lot of treasures were destroyed/robbed. Keep in mind that Iraq was one of the oldest civilizations in History and thrived for centuries. Aladdin's city Agrabah was actually based on the capital of Iraq, Baghdad. And obviously, dozens of thousands of civilians killed. Can you imagine being in your living room with your family and hearing sirens because the US decided to bomb your country to free you from your dictator? Doesn't make any sense does it? Britney's infamous interview where she "accepted" it was one of the lowest points of her career to me. Still, I don't blame her, she probably didn't know anything because she was basically having 1 hour of rest a day since 17 and she probably didn't spend it looking at the news, therefore giving a generic answer "I think we should listen to the president." Anyways. Back to subject: ISIS was established there because of the collapse of Iraq. And they were bombing cities in Iraq (yup, don't forget that the main victims of terrorists aren't Westerners where 2% of attacks occur but mainly Middle Easterners where 90%+ of attacks occur). They turned Iraq into a no-laws war zone. 

- Libya: 2011, Arab Springs, revolution by the people for democracy, not provoked by the West, but self-provoked. Ruthless repression from Libya's ruler that was in office for more than 3 decades. It started a civil war. It happens. BUT... France and UK decided to interfere and to help the rebels. Aerian raids; they killed the dictator. Problem: desorganized country. Two different governments in two different cities. France doesn't recognize the same as the UK. Anyways. Country ended up a mess. However, oddly enough: 0 refugees from there. It has only about 7 million inhabitants, but just like Egyptians, there's very few (never met one) refugees.

So yes, Russia, US and UK are highly responsible in the recrudescence of religious extremism in the region. Terrorism as you know it actually didn't exist before the second part of last century. It's very recent, and among its causes there is... Russia, US, UK. Yes. Doesn't mean that they're 100% responsible for what's happening in the ME. But doesn't mean either that they didn't play a major role in it. Because destabilized country = opportunity for extremists to make their movements grow (young, desperate people are the easiest one to convince because they have almost nothing to lose). 

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33 minutes ago, Dave92 said:

Just because you find it tolerable that gay people and women can just hide themselves because they have bigger things to worry about doesn’t mean it’s okay for those that are literally killed or incarcerated over it.

How can you even justify it by saying Muslim women have much bigger concerns than not wearing hijab? That poor woman was literally beaten to death by their stupid police. Sorry, that’s not acceptable no matter how many “similarities” you claim to see in western countries. 

As for the west “droning” schools… Ever educated yourself on WHY terrorists hide around school and hospitals? They use them as a human shield. Where is their accountability? That’s an entirely different subject I’m not even gonna get into - but that’s a really bad example. Why would you even think to justify it as a gay person?

P.s not trying to be offensive, I just think you’re a bit biased in a “patriotic” way. It’s understandable, but justifying heinous crimes that are performed on a daily basis just cause “the west isn’t perfect too” won’t get the Middle East anywhere. 

The brainwashed will be brainwashed. You made valid points and articulated them well. Oh well.

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17 minutes ago, x.rox said:

The brainwashed will be brainwashed. You made valid points and articulated them well. Oh well.

So as the Gay person living in the Middle Eastern, im the brainwashed one? Please educate me how it is living as a Gay person in the Middle East, maybe a western perspective will open my eyes.

I think we were both having a respectful and interesting discussion, no need to insert yourself into our discussion by insulting one of us. If you have any insults towards me, address me directly, and im sure ill have a good response for you.

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20 minutes ago, do the thing said:

Just like literally the entire planet until very recently (like, 40 years ago). Women jailed in they'd wear pants in France, segregation in the US, s0d0my laws literally almost everywhere (including in Norway until the 70s-80s), blabla. They're just like the whole world has always been until very recently. It might take some additional time for some change according to the country you're talking about. You're targeting laws, which are different from culture (architecture, language, literature, philosophy, food, cities, etc.). Do you consider Ancient Greece to be a sh**h*le? Because women had no rights, and weren't even considered as citizens (they were below men in every single aspect, and slightly above slave; they had less rights than ex-slaves though). Do you consider 50s-US as a sh**h*le? Segregation + 0 rights for gays + limited rights for women. Separate these things carefully.

 

Exactly. Most of these countries are dictatorships. They'll only be able to fight for gay rights when they'd... get the freedom to fight for something. Some countries are achieving it (Tunisia, Lebanon, Morocco). But at the moment for most it's not their priority. You can hide being gay pretty well, especially in countries with gender-segregation, you can't hide being a woman or a minority. 

Also, Iran is the only country in the world that applies death penalty for gays. Saudi Arabia stopped doing that a long time ago; in Mauritania, you can be sentenced up to 3 years in jail max and even then it's generally if you're caught up doing it in public. Most don't care because jail-space isn't extensible and there's more urgent matters, and also because they have partnerships with UNO so they're being discreet about it. Iran is already blacklisted and backed up by Russia so they don't mind. 

Yes, the West (mainly the US and the UK) and Russia played a pretty big part regarding the rise of religious extremism in the Middle East throughout the last century. They're aren't the main reason, but a significant factor.

- After Ottoman's defeat in WWI, the British helped the riots occurring in the regions of the Middle East which ended up in an implosion of the Empire with different individual states. Long story short: just like Germany huge tax-payments & sanctions (which indirectly led to WWII), the Ottoman Empire had to cede all of these countries (with the exception of Turkey) to British mandates. It's different from colonisation, it's rather mandates to give some time for governments to form (a transition), and most were really short-term. British had other colonies in other parts of the world with France & Italy. Obviously, they had some oil interests. But their poor management of the transition led to the establishment of Saudi Arabia controlled by... the Saudi family. Another key point is Israel-Palestine: their poor management led to a conflict that overspread in the entirety of the Middle East: the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians that were chased went as refugees in neighboring countries. Lebanon was religiously heterogeneous. Long-story short: civil war because some Palestinians organized their resistance from there, and some events were (often incorrectly) accused to be made by them. Multiple-decades civil war. Now, a party in Iran tries to defend the Shias from Lebanon, etc.

- About Iran: Sam is wrong on so many levels. Iran wasn't a "country of freedom" before the Revolution, it's one of the biggest historical misconceptions you can make about Iran. In 1953, the CIA and the MI6 (UK-equivalent of the CIA) organized a coup d'État. Result: Mossadegh, a modernist that actually made Iran wealthier and freer (and nationalized the national oil company), was replaced by Pahlavi, who transformed Iran into a huge dictatorship. Completely crazy. A lot of people were killed, protests broke out, etc etc etc: he also repressed religious people. So Iranians revolted and answered to repression with the Revolution. Which ended up being another dictature. Just different. Still a dictature. Following Iran-gate a lot of sanctions occurred and killed the country. Poorer country = less education. Still, the majority doesn't enjoy the current government.

Result: UK & US are responsible for the Revolution. Why did they do that? Because they wanted an oil-ally (the previous minister nationalized it) and a strategic position during the Cold War.

- Afghanistan: 1964, Zahir Chah established a constitutional monarchy based on the 4th French Republic and granted a lot of freedom for his population. 1978: communist coup d'État, brutal reforms. Brejnev (USSR) supported the Communists. Carter supported the Islamists. 1979: Russia sends 600,000 men and basically starts a decade-long civil war between Russians, nationalist Afghans, communist Afghans. In the meantime, the Moudjahidins (quite similar to Talibans) were... TRAINED secretly by the CIA through the "cyclone operation" and financed by the US and Saudi Arabia; each one of them gave 3 BILLION DOLLARS. Al Qaida was born during that time. Irony: the US indirectly provoked the formation of Al-Qaida (1987, Ben Laden and Azzam trained Pakistani Mudjahidins to go to war in Afghanistan) and the training of some of its recruits during the war. Then came another American failure... the intervention to "bRiNg dEmOcRaCy" in Afghanistan. 2022: Talibans are in office, women can't go to school anymore. Congrats USA! I'm wondering how the country would be without being in war since the 70s, and without the US training Mudjahidins. Would 9/11 have happened? I don't think so. 

- Iraq: probably one of the biggest disasters in history. Invasion of Iraq on the basis of false proofs. By the US. Approved and helped by the UK. Thankfully, France refused (explaining the French bashing campaign in the 2000s saying that French are cowards). They illegally invaded Iraq to overthrown the dictator that was there and to BrInG DeMoCrACy (quite interesting considering that Iraq is massively rich in terms of natural resources). UNO refused any intervention. They turned the entire country into a war zone with different militias. A lot, a lot, a lot of treasures were destroyed/robbed. Keep in mind that Iraq was one of the oldest civilizations in History and thrived for centuries. Aladdin's city Agrabah was actually based on the capital of Iraq, Baghdad. And obviously, dozens of thousands of civilians killed. Can you imagine being in your living room with your family and hearing sirens because the US decided to bomb your country to free you from your dictator? Doesn't make any sense does it? Britney's infamous interview where she "accepted" it was one of the lowest points of her career to me. Still, I don't blame her, she probably didn't know anything because she was basically having 1 hour of rest a day since 17 and she probably didn't spend it looking at the news, therefore giving a generic answer "I think we should listen to the president." Anyways. Back to subject: ISIS was established there because of the collapse of Iraq. And they were bombing cities in Iraq (yup, don't forget that the main victims of terrorists aren't Westerners where 2% of attacks occur but mainly Middle Easterners where 90%+ of attacks occur). They turned Iraq into a no-laws war zone. 

- Libya: 2011, Arab Springs, revolution by the people for democracy, not provoked by the West, but self-provoked. Ruthless repression from Libya's ruler that was in office for more than 3 decades. It started a civil war. It happens. BUT... France and UK decided to interfere and to help the rebels. Aerian raids; they killed the dictator. Problem: desorganized country. Two different governments in two different cities. France doesn't recognize the same as the UK. Anyways. Country ended up a mess. However, oddly enough: 0 refugees from there. It has only about 7 million inhabitants, but just like Egyptians, there's very few (never met one) refugees.

So yes, Russia, US and UK are highly responsible in the recrudescence of religious extremism in the region. Terrorism as you know it actually didn't exist before the second part of last century. It's very recent, and among its causes there is... Russia, US, UK. Yes. Doesn't mean that they're 100% responsible for what's happening in the ME. But doesn't mean either that they didn't play a major role in it. Because destabilized country = opportunity for extremists to make their movements grow (young, desperate people are the easiest one to convince because they have almost nothing to lose). 

There should be criticism towards the Middle East, but to call us all a ****hole place with horrible culture thats uniquely bad, and paint us all (including citizents) with a broad brush is wrong. Thats why I felt I needed to comment because the comment seemed extremely ignorant in my opinion.

And thank you for this comment, most people who defend Muslims do it in a wrong way. You seem educated on the subject to talk about it.

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1 hour ago, fays1 said:

 

You do realize these issues heavily exist in the rest of the world right? including secular countries and countries with other religions.

The Middle East suffers more from western human right violation, crimes, and interference than Gay rights.

Gay people in the Middle East have bigger struggles than I want to kiss my boyfriend in public and get married to a man.

All the human rights violation you claim to care about is also committed by your government, but it doesnt have the LGBTQ and Feminnism label on them so you dont care about it.

Don't bother arguing with self-entitled know-it-all ignorant minds. They are after this, not to learn, but to win.

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