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Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

Ha, ha, MT…

Elvis has re-entered, wearing his white cape and bell bottoms.

We’ve jumped down another thread so we don’t have to deal with the video re-loading. But we’re still looking for heroes. 

Although after this we may jump back up?

I don’t know if I pictured Sammy Black Hat riding in on a white horse, but I’ve been watching him MUCH longer than I have Adnan. I see him as…useful in this somehow?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfrHehFzVtk

And, me, working for someone? I do have a job, though if my boss caught me doing this he wouldn’t think it very amusing. I have other more “important” things I really should be working on. But sometimes the job becomes a little TOO depressing, so this is a nice way to lighten my day.

…Or maybe I’ve just always wanted to be Clarice? I toured a forensics lab once to see if I was up for the job…and passed out cold in front of a group of 40 people when the tour guide started discussing blood spatter patterns.

How embarassing… LOL

gigi Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

Sam on a white horse?? Yuck. That is not what she needs at all. He is too dangerous. Comparing him and A is like apples and oranges. Now that he is out of the picture he needs to stay out for good.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

MT, I really don’t know if my boyfriend likes that group (though he does like Johnny Cash…) They’re more MY style. I painted their logo on the side of my art portfolio back in grade nine. Who could really survive without them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZez_k4vAzU

…I also never pictured you with long hair. But for some reason I can picture you in a pair of 8-holes and camos. But maybe it’s just me. LOL

MARK TWAIN Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Haha.. Good old Docs. That was in High School in the 80’s.

7 jeans, orange Billabong shirt, blue Chuck Taylors, Alfani beanie, surfnecklace, and my wedding ring. Calvin klein underware. Oh and JC Penny 100% cotton sock, LOL!!!!! It’s still sunny in Southern Cali…

The sidewalk I blend fine but not the bushes, LOL!!!

I have till the end of the year before the fireworks begin. I guess you can say I found a few more quarters in the couch.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

Calvin Klein underwear?!

T.M.I.

…LOLOLOLOLOL!

Just kidding. At least you’re not wearing sandals with the cotton socks, K-Fed style. In my books, that would be a fashion faux-pas to the extreme.

There’s just NO forgiving socks and sandals. Ha ha!

gigi Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

lol Calvin Klien underwear lol Yes I can see why that would not blend in with the bushes. Glad you can come back until then or as long as possible.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 9:29 pm

MARK TWAIN Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

Photos of Sean Preston and Jayden James as well. Did the father of the boys know. Was the father notified and compinsated or gave permission for the photos since he was the legal guardian

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You scratch my back, I’ll scratch your back?

https://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20243767,00.html

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

MARK TWAIN Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

But there’s more to Sam than meets the eyes.

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Doing dictation? Unfortunately, he would’ve been smarter to press record:

https://britneybash.com/2008/02/06/sam_lutfi_helped_britney_rolling_stone_cover

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

MARK TWAIN Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

Did Jamie Spears or Lou Taylor broker these deals with “THE” magazine? And if so who got paid and how much?

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Figuring this out is as easy as figuring out Section 41 of the WEG suit.

What was Jenny’s number again? This $$$ stuff is beyond my realm…

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

Geez, does this guy ever need some Media Coaching with Lou:

https://www.usmagazine.com/exclusive_sam_lutfi_on_britney_spear_her_family_is_crazy

Sounds like Ma read this article before writing her book. Is it just me, or does the book sound like a *response* to what Lutfi was saying about her in this article?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

And, yes, I know Ama will give me hell for just posting that!

But I posted it for a reason. If you look beyond what a ****head he is, there’s valuable information in the article.

Amapola Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 10:47 pm

“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 9:56 pm ”

What’s wrong with you? You keep repeating old stuff the whole time 

Is it a try to do some kind of brainwashing on people here`:mrgreen:

You and MT (and some others) really start sound like you have a very very short memeorys. 

 :( 

I´m sad for Adnans sake, because you two does a real good work to destroy for him.
Maybe people just can’t look look through what you are trying to do? 

More:
I dont belive your story about the tour in the forensics lab. Not a bad story at all, not anything bad about that.

Guess you needed something to fill out the “talk” in the comment and with MT 
MT, the one with the magic show stones 

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small hands Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

I had forgotten about that article Steel.
So are we staying in this thread?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

Amapola Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 10:47 pm

Maybe people just can’t look look through what you are trying to do?

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If I’m understanding you correctly, I think this is exactly it.

I’m not asking anyone to read the old articles - I’m asking them to re-read them and *read between the lines* to see what we missed the first time around.

We were missing key pieces of information at the time, and now we can go back and pick new information out of the articles that was right there in front of us and we didn’t even see it.

So I’m not asking anyone to read the articles and believe every word in them. Just the opposite, in fact.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

Amapola Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 10:47 pm

I dont belive your story about the tour in the forensics lab. Not a bad story at all, not anything bad about that.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I don’t get it…Why don’t you believe it? That I passed out? What I was trying to say is that at one time I thought about having a job like Clarice Starling, but that I have such a weak stomache that I pass out at the sight of blood. And I’m even worse with needles. So I wouldn’t make a very good cop!

That’s what I was trying to say.

Amapola Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
I don’t get it…Why don’t you believe it?
………
I told you, did I not? 
Or have you forget? 

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 11:09 pm

Amapola Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

I told you, did I not?
Or have you forget?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Something’s getting lost in translation.

Actually, it seems like a LOT of things are getting lost in translation.

It’s the only explanation I can think of.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

small hands Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

I had forgotten about that article Steel.
So are we staying in this thread?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

We might as well stay here, by the looks of it. Sound okay?

Amapola Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 10:58 pm”

bs …you try to construct a story! The story you want them to “see” from “beetween the lines”.

You don’t fool me, that’s for sure. 

Amapola Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

Steel_

correction:

“Guess you needed something to fill out the “talk” in the comment with MT,
the one with the magic show stones 

Or are “crystal balls” the correct words? 

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

Amapola Says:
December 12th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

You don’t fool me, that’s for sure.

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Aw, shucks! LOL

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 12th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

Bishop takes rook.

Rook = Mark Twain.

silly = where’s your self-respect?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 12:14 am

Translation?

Amapola Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 12:33 am

I´m surprised I don’t have heard any comment about K-Fed kissing “a new blond”…
(video was on TMZ)

I could not see if they was kissing. 

But the blond women, she looked like the blond women he was buying shoes together with some days ago.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 12:33 am

Person to person call.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 12:40 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZGWQauQOAQ

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 1:09 am

You played your hand.

It’s lost in translation I am sure.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 1:11 am

Bishop takes rook.

What admiration that, MT.

Amapola Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 1:14 am

Did any of you know that Alli have told what she think???

IF true, one ABSOLUTELY can’t be sure of that, she could almost have written here 

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/12/02/2008-12-02_alli_sims_kevin_federline_dish_on_britne-1.html

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 9:41 am

Amapola Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 1:14 am

Did any of you know that Alli have told what she think???

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Do you disagree with what Alli is saying?

How do you feel about Britney touring right now?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 9:44 am

Amapola Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 1:14 am

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Just to add to that…

I have very mixed feelings about her touring right now. I don’t understand how she could be going on tour, with all that pressure, if she is sick enough to be under conservatorship. At the same time, I can see how her parents and doctors might want to “keep her busy” and that a tour might help in her recovery.

I tried buying tickets to several different shows, but the tickets in my price range had all sold out in a matter of minutes.

In a way, I was relieved. I don’t want to see Britney suffer another breakdown, and don’t want to be a part of anything that contributes to it.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:05 am

Amapola Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 1:14 am

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

…And then a couple of minutes later, it dawns on me that, WAIT!

Maybe she’s NOT sick enough to be under conservatorship.

Maybe she was never really “sick” at all?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXK0Hjfkrgw

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:14 am

Amapola,

I’m approaching this entire thing with this in mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice

…If that helps you to understand any better where I’m coming from. I certainly didn’t think this way a year ago, but over time I’ve come to realize that this concept *does* apply.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:18 am

The basic liberties according to Rawls:

- freedom of thought;
- liberty of conscience as it affects social relationships on the grounds of religion, philosophy, and morality;
- political liberties (e.g. representative democratic institutions, freedom of speech and the press, and freedom of assembly);
- freedom of association;
- freedoms necessary for the liberty and integrity of the person (viz: freedom from slavery, freedom of movement and a reasonable degree of freedom to choose one’s occupation); and
- rights and liberties covered by the rule of law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice

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Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:27 am

What has happened to Brit has been in the works for a very long time. And the media appears to have been used as a tool to make it happen.

Listen to what is said at 1:55 in from the beginning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ylmAgd6Ch8

Contacted a year ago? That would date his participation in this to BEFORE Brit was sent to Rehab.

Kinda makes you think, doesn’t it? It sure makes ME think about everything I read in the media over the course of that year.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 11:24 am

Some interesting comments at 1:15 in from the start:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0UF5J7H04g&feature=related

It’s so refreshing to hear her talk! I hope we get to hear it again soon.

In her own words.

MARK TWAIN Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

Rook = Mark Twain.

Haha. Never knew I was a part of the board.
If I was then you can say Bishop takes Rook. Remember that the Rook is the media.
So who do you think loses on this one?
I just happen to be playing besides their table. Ohh and what a game it was. Now new palyers are waiting to have their turn.
Real good ones.
I’m sure it will soon begin.
And when it does, I might have to forfit my own game just to watch their match next to me.

Soon enough the Britney ‘Conspiracy’ will unfold.
‘In Hollywood, it’s not what you know. It’s who you know.’
‘In Hollywood, it’s what you know and not necessarily who you know’.

Key to play in the ‘Big Time’ is ‘Use or be used’.
Only thing that matters is the outcome.

‘Image is everything’.

‘Thumbs Up’ to MTV peeps.
Not the documentary.
Bold and daring.
‘Mission Impossible’ like.
Nice story amongs friends.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

Steel. You think you and I can agree to disagree? I haven’t been back to the Elvis thread. I don’t plan to.

Meanwhile, I think you will find the latter part of this Feb 2007 article very interesting. Page down to No Hearing.

“Michael Sands, a publicist for Federline’s attorney, told FOX News they believed someone made up the news of the hearing and told Los Angeles Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini about it.”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html

We go back to the court house and to a third party perhaps. Who would Parachini have trusted? Surely he got it through the usual channels like his secretary who got it through .. If there was never going to be a hearing then the sole aim was to get the news into the Associated Press? This may be the closest we ever got to the punyman.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

AM, Of course we can agree to disagree. I don’t expect anyone to come “on side” with me, and I hope nobody expects me to come “on side” with them.

…Because there’s always two sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth.

And the truth probably is somewhere in between.

We’re probably both a little bit right and a little bit wrong at the same time. Know what I mean?

I’m at the library…Better get off before I get booted off. LOL

Glad to see everyone talking. 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

Bless your heart Mark Twain. brb. Right direction you think on Parachini while we wait?

I haven’t found the original AP release regarding the emergency hearing that was never planned by either party. I’ll keep looking through the archives.

I’ll get back to you on what you generously posted. I do so love chess.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

Steel. Thank you. Ever call somebody you were sparring with and said, “Don’t read the email I just sent. I was mad when I wrote it?”

Glad to see everyone talking too. 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

p.s. Steel. That’s why I didn’t go back to Elvis — that and I was intuitively drawn there or rather the opposite.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

Found the AP release. Can’t send a link but you can find the article in full on the AP site. Here are the highlights:

As pop singer Britney Spears was reportedly checking out of rehab for the second time in a week, her estranged husband Kevin Federline has requested an emergency hearing in a Los Angeles court.

A court spokesman says Federline’s lawyer will try to persuade court officials to expedite the custody case involving the celebrity couple’s two children.

Last November, Federline filed papers seeking spousal support and sole custody of the children after Spears sought to end their two-year marriage last November.

Federline’s attorney, Mark Vincent Kaplan, did not return a call seeking comment.

Federline’s lawyer will try to persuade a Superior Court commissioner that the matter is urgent enough to be handled on an expedited basis, Parachini said.

The move comes after Spears reportedly checked into and out of two rehab centres last week and shaved her head bald on Friday.

<snip of soundbyte from a Hollywood publicist - Michael Levine. ‘He called on her to “tend to her own personal demons.”‘)

There are reports that Spears fled rehab out of worry that Federline would make a move to obtain permanent custody of the couple’s children while she was undergoing treatment.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It’s the first time we civilians have seen the structure of how it is done and who was specifically used to damn Spears’ image.

A court official? The “credible” AP broadcasting? Does Pachini see it on his calendar in his computer or does someone call from the AP and prompt a search and a statement?

Screw the punyman let’s look for Darth Vadar.

Amapola Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

AM
Referring to the FOX article you give the link to, I now ask you for help.
Could you please give me the date where I have marked (date?).
I´m sure it obvious for you all on this site, bit for me… 

I would be so greatful, because this ariticle just make me dizzy, because of the dates 

I dont know what dates they talk about. Have try to get it, but no.. 

Amapola Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

AM
Here are the dates I dont get..
“No Hearing

Michael Sands, a publicist for Federline’s attorney, told FOX News they believed someone made up the news of the hearing and told Los Angeles Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini about it.

Federline and his attorney Mark Vincent Kaplan say they never called for a hearing, and that no court papers for a hearing were ever filed.

Earlier Thursday (date?) , Jamie Spears told FOX News that Federline and his lawyer were not scheduled to appear Thursday (date?) at an emergency hearing in family law court, as Parachini had said. He also alluded to someone leaking misinformation.

Parachini later issued an update: “A lawyer has called the bailiff and indicated nothing is going to happen today (date?),” he said. He identified the lawyer as Kaplan.

Kaplan had contacted the court on Wednesday (date?) and asked for the appearance, according to the Associated Press.

“Kevin continues to be a very focused father with his children with hands-on management,” said a statement from Kaplan, read by Sands.

Parachini had said it was not known what issue the 28-year-old aspiring rapper planned to raise, though the former couple are in a custody dispute over their two children.

“Our best information is he will be here (date?); she won’t,” Parachini said. “But anything is possible.”

Federline sought spousal support and sole custody of Jayden James, 5 months, and Sean Preston, 17 months, after Spears moved to end their two-year marriage in November, but a temporary order issued Feb. 1 granted joint custody through this month.
Since last week (start date) , Spears has checked into rehab three times and last Friday night (date?) , she shaved her head.

Tuesday (date?)= Rudolph issued a brief statement Tuesday (date?) confirming the 25-year-old pop star had entered rehab.

Spears left the Promises’ Malibu facility on Wednesday(date?), according to “The Insider” TV news magazine, less than a day after arriving.

Last week (date=), she reportedly sought treatment at a center in the Caribbean but also checked out after a day (date?) .

The next day (date?) , she arrived at a San Fernando Valley hair salon, grabbed an electric razor and shaved her head bald.
Afterward, she visited a tattoo parlor, where she had a pair of red-and-pink lips inked onto her wrist. Then she went out clubbing with friends before apparently checking into Promises. (date?)

In public again Wednesday (this date I really are curious about) , Spears attempted to keep a low profile, but TMZ posted video of her wearing a wig and leaving what it said was a lawyer’s office.”

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

Doh! moment. Here’s the link.

http://www.aparchive.com/Search.aspx?st=k&remem=x&cfas=__a&kw=britneyspears&kwstyle=and&date_style=ds_between&dteaf=2/12/07&dtebf=2/25/07&SLUG=&rids=&KEYWORD=&sort=relevance&prds=&cfas=-1&COLORSPACE=#sidebar_1f22a81ed63a21e8f695c6017f6aef7b

Los Angeles - 2/21/07 — there’s another article there that talks to the founder of Passages Malibu. He pretty much condemns Spears’ image and “confirms” through her words it’s about what is under Britney’s addictions and “self-mutilation.”

MT — do you consider tattoos to be self-mutilation? The Passages Malibu founder does and with that America is told how to correctly think about Brit’s trip to the tattoo partner, oh and the head-shaving.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

Correction: Confirms through his words.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

Does Small know where we are?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

AP Entertainment
Los Angeles 21 February 2007

3. SOUNDBITE (English) Judge Glenda Hatchett, TV Judge:

“I think that given the latest turn of events that he has been advised and he does need to go to an emergency hearing. It will be interesting to see how that plays out, he certainly has the right to do that as the father of those two children. Now, whether he will be granted emergency relief is another question, he is certainly within his rights to do that. I would think that if the judge did something on that, it is going to probably be a temporary order, pending further explanation and investigation.”

***
I don’t know how the AP goes about on other stories but certainly were useful in this and maybe even to date, to Darth’s purpose.

Amapola Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

Thank you AM, but I could not get the date in order from that link.. 

I have start suspect that there are more then I who dont know about the dates, in “turn-taking”

Is it so?

How can one try to get it right?
Because without getting everything right, in order, and as transparent as possibly, we just going round, as lost in the wilderness, and making oursleves looking like fools. 

Amapola Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

Still nobody who know about the dates..
Because if not, we can stop talk about everything about what have happend, and who told, and who have done this, or that.

I find it CRAZY that they dont have any dates in the articels!!!
Look on my queation with the date(?) mark.. dont it look stupid?
If non of you understand what date they talk about..
Then its al a sludge, with no start and no ending..
And I find it impossilby to even talk about it. Having an opinon? ON what? When? Why? Who?
If not such an important thing as dates are in the information… 8o

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

looks at watch — where the hell is the VJ?

Amapola Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

What the VJ?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

Ama, let me catch. Thursday, February 22, 2007

Here was my trail:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20012207_20013222,00.html

Then to Fox

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html

and finally to the Associated Press archives database.

I am happy for company. I need to find for myself the first time that some PR person or Promises type person used the term bi-polar. I know I saw it earlier today. I’ve been wondering a long time who was the first to put that idea into the media and onto my mom’s kitchen table where she sips coffee and reads the news. My mother in this case represents the universal household sans the Internet. I am fascinated by what makes her newspaper and why.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

Ama. Sorry I misunderstood. Does your computer have a calendar? It is easier to find dates that way

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

Sunday, February 18, 2007
Mon-Friday
Saturday February 24th

any other weeks you need?

Week before:

Sunday Feb. 10th … maybe I will play around with it. Dates are important. The most misleading dates I have found in Britney’s case are “the next day” when really for her life style it was the same day, the same night.

In other words, to believe the events of January 28th 2008 and January 29th 2008 are separate is misleading. She awoke on the 28th and all of the events led up to the second 5150.

I am just giving an example in ciphering the story as it happened in her world.

If I bother to put all of the dates in, I will post it. It’s a clue to understanding the manipulation of the events and players.

Was Parchini falsely informed that there would be an emergency hearing in the custody of the children? Or not.

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MH Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

Ama, use your common sense. what date did she shave her head, what dates did she go to rehab, what date was the article written. it’s not rocket science.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

And there is MH. All aboard save Nosey.

No Hearing

Michael Sands, a publicist for Federline’s attorney, told FOX News they believed someone made up the news of the hearing and told Los Angeles Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini about it.

Federline and his attorney Mark Vincent Kaplan say they never called for a hearing, and that no court papers for a hearing were ever filed.

Earlier Thursday (2/22), Jamie Spears told FOX News that Federline and his lawyer were not scheduled to appear Thursday at an emergency hearing in family law court, as Parachini had said. He also alluded to someone leaking misinformation.

Parachini later issued an update: “A lawyer has called the bailiff and indicated nothing is going to happen today,” he said. He identified the lawyer as Kaplan.

Kaplan had contacted the court on Wednesday and asked for the appearance, according to the Associated Press.

Same article just emphasizing.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

Ama. VJ = Video Jockey aka SM.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

I know I stumbled on to something but am waiting for confirmation from you guys.

If you didn’t get to the AP database here are tidbits from an article there dated Wednesday February 17, 2007

EMERGENCY FAMILY COURT HEARING FOR K-FED

Britney Spears estranged husband, Kevin Federline is scheduled to appear in court on Thursday at an emergency hearing in family law court.
Federline’s pending appearance was confirmed by Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini.

It was not known what issue 28 year old aspiring rapper was planning to raise, but the couple are locked in a custody dispute over their two children - Jayden James, 5 months, and Sean Preston, 17 months.

Judge Glenda Hatchett, TV Judge in the US told AP Entertainment that Federline had been advised he needed “to go to an emergency hearing.”

advised? How would the TV judge know that? but it plays out as fact now when it’s not

“It will be interesting to see how that plays out, he certainly has the right to do that as the father of those two children,” continued Hatchett.

But whether Federline would “be “granted emergency relief is another question,” she said.

“He is certainly within his rights to do that. I would think that if the judge did something on that, it is going to probably be a temporary order, pending further explanation and investigation,” Hatchett added.

The scheduled court appearance follows a week of bizarre events that saw an increasingly erratic Spears check in and out of a live in rehabilitation facility twice in a week.

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Since the VJ isn’t here … what if there had been a plan but they didn’t have to make a move because Brit couldn’t get into to see the kids and tripped herself up .. or Larry making statements.

I wonder why K-Fed went for sole custody instead of joint — surely Kaplan guided him on that.

Amapola Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

“MH Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 7:27 pm Ama, use your common sense. what date did she shave her head, what dates did she go to rehab, what date was the article written. it’s not rocket science”
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””””””””

Dont be so vainglorious MH.
Look on K-Fed and his (?), maybe (?) new blond women, kissing, you get happy again 
””””””””””’

This is an article (Fox) who jump back and forth with names on weekdays, and also back and forth on “the week before”

Also, there is a story comming back, or the same story told from some other (?) , inside the article.
The same story and days.. As I understand it. but in different order.

I read that Britney and Federling had a talk on Wednesday night, and they had an agreement about something…no court, stay as it was..

Wonder if he already then know he would go to court on Thursday?

If it was the night before he get to court, then he lie to her, and to her father, because Jamie didn´t know anything about it.

Or was it some other Wednesday

I just wonder.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

Michael Sands - Paris Hilton

“SANDS: Well, you know, I have been with Paris. My son and I were with Paris last year, and I found her to be incredible one-on-one. I think it`s all of this is of Paris` own making, but her mother and father have definitely made Paris emotionally dependent on them. She can`t make a move without them. She`s not grown up.”

6-12-07 CNN
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0706/12/sbt.01.html

Could Paris Hilton Have Actually Found God?; Stephen Baldwin Gives Insight

Aired June 12, 2007 - 23:00:00 ET

SANDS: But I mean, listen, today`s day and age, everyone is famous for something. And that`s OK. You can`t begrudge someone for that, whether it`s a s** tape, or whether a book, or whatever. But her parents have really gone overboard, especially when her mom spoke to Barbara Walters. If she really found God and spirituality, you don`t have to announce it to the world. I`m with Mike Tyson or Alec Baldwin, and they don`t announce it to the world.

This announcement kind of throws me for a loop because she actually had me believing that she`s going to change her ways. But her mother and father keep pampering her. And they always have a mattress in which to catch her.

HAMMER: Yeah.

SANDS: And I think that Paris is still in jail. And it`s still jail no matter how you pad it, whether it`s in the medical ward, or whatever. The food is horrible there. And she`s really having to deal with herself now, which she may grow up from, if people and her handlers, her parents, will leave her alone.”

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Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

Ama. Look at the dates but also who is speaking and what they say, line by tedious line.

Who is lying? Kaplan’s team ala Sands says there never was a court date or a plan for an emergency hearing.

They say there was a leak. Really? If there was a leak then is to say it wasn’t in the Kaplan Team planning?

If you found it confusing it’s because you have to question the media and read the article tedious line by line.

I would think it would be more difficult for you not because of dates but because of subtleties of language.

The manipulation of words, sentences.

The AP reported there was an emergency hearing.

Once Britney was in rehab the third time (is this right???) Kaplan’s team that includes Sands says an emergency hearing was never the plan: the kids would say with K-Fed.

The public is meanwhile convinced that Brit is in dire straights and suffering from bi-polar or postpartum depression and an addict who self-mutilates and if she is going to hurt herself.

It doesn’t matter if it’s true. It has to be true enough for people to believe (or else lawsuits for libel, slander, or whatever — is this right?) and that includes jurors, attorneys, paps, everybody.

Somebody or Team Vadar wanted to see her hurt and they did it. Was it part of a larger plan? It would see so. It divided her from Larry, her Mom, every body and her reliance on Sims and that pap to get her own story out…

Need to mull over some more. I know you are a researcher Ama. You used to be full of fire and contributed things. You were a great cook.

A girl who slices meat and hangs it in the wind can never lose that passion or lore of knowledge.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

Correction: the kids would “stay” will K-Fed.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:22 pm

I don’t want to lose sight of Parachini, the L.A. Courthouse, and the AP.

It’s interesting though that Sands was in the picture very early. By November 9, 2006.

I understand Hollywood moves in close circles but around we go. Sands, Mintz and others.

For lands’ sake can’t or won’t someone dig up Sands prior retraining orders?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

Parachini has an interesting background. One wouldn’t think he was easily duped.

Did he apologize for the misinformation or take it on the cheek? Was it misinformation or did K-Fed’s team retrack, panic, oops bad move, premature.

c’mon MT jump in anywhere. I was thirsty and you said you would slake my thirst. I think that is where we began, when the riddles and clues appeared.

Maybe you knew there were more people like me wanting to know and that it wouldn’t be wasted.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:28 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEI4U5KyAS0

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:31 pm

So what do we have coming across the airwaves and into our family rooms?

- a TV judge
- a phantom report of a custody hearing

Where is Britney during this? Watching TV by any chance?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

And lets not forget the TV psychologist.

http://www.drphil.com/contact_main/

Already on the scene. We just didn’t know it yet.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

But is any of it legit? Doesn’t matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtycdRBAbXk

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

Speaking of image, do you think her handlers realize what she’s doing in the freshly posted photos?

Too funny!

http://www.britneyspears.com/2008/12/exclusive-britney-in-japan.php?bfm_index=0&bfm_page=0

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 11:07 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

Found the AP release. Can’t send a link but you can find the article in full on the AP site…

It’s the first time we civilians have seen the structure of how it is done and who was specifically used to damn Spears’ image….

Screw the punyman let’s look for Darth Vadar.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYO_0lfYAmk

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

For reference:

Ignore the “dirty gossip” and look at the dates…

How does the Emergency Hearing fit in?

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Feb. 12, 2007 – Britney, at NY’s Club One, switches outfits and parties in a bikini. A video is rumoured to exist which could lead to her loosing custody of her children. (NY Daily News)

Feb. 14, 2007 - Britney checks into Crossroads Centre, a rehab facility on the Caribbean island of Antigua, only to check out a day later. (MTV)

Feb. 16, 2007 - Shaves her head in Sherman Oaks. (MTV)

Feb. 20, 2007 - Checks into Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility in Malibu, California, only to check out less than 24 hours later. (MTV)

Feb, 21, 2007 - Sources tell TMZ.com Britney went this morning to meet with Blair Berk, a prominent criminal defense lawyer. Berk once repped Reese Witherspoon in her battle with hard-driving paparazzi. (PopDirt)

Feb. 21, 2007 - Attacks X17 pap team w/ umbrella

Feb. 22, 2007 - Checks back into Promises, as Kevin asks the court for an emergency hearing to help sort out custody issues. (MTV)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

AM, Are these dates correct?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 10:31 pm

So what do we have coming across the airwaves and into our family rooms?

- a TV judge
- a phantom report of a custody hearing

Where is Britney during this? Watching TV by any chance?

>>>>>>>
That and “expert testimony” that she’s a trainwreck and her career is over. Danger danger danger. Spears “hasn’t recorded an album since 2003.” No, “Spears wanted to be a mama like you, Spears is just like you, she gave up her career for her children.”

Yes?

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Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

Steel. About the timeline. Some of the dates we worked with were from articles in the final arrangement. In other words, they contained other dates, “Last Wednesday” bla bla.

What missing is the time between Britney saw her kids last and when she was physically available to see them … also any teasers, “Sure babe come over any time. I got the kids.”

That’s always missing from the timeline. The how she was driven, her desire to be with her children .. any teasing power-holding K-Fed had (are we to believe the various “agreements” and prices of? Britney offers final settlement of $10M, Brit ups to $11, Britney up to $25 Million — what happened to the pre-nup? Did he get half the proceeds of the Malibu house? The house that Lynne was directed to go look for drugs? We need a more thorough timeline — one that tells both sides).

Ah Ga Ga the VJ is back.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

steel — do we want all of that online?

Damn.

‘Right before Britney went into Promises (which time Lynne??), after she shaved her head, I got an anonymous call from a man while i was driving in Los Angeles, “There are drugs planted in Britney’s Malibu house,” he said, going on to tell me that there was a conspiracy with Kevin and Britney’s assistants to make my daughter look like a bad mother.’

I’ll never see Sam on a white horse especially as someone Sands and had someone in common that was mutual.

What was the effect of all that news back then? “Thank God Britney is getting help?” And then we moved along. “oh ok she’s getting help. DRUG addict!”

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

I meant the timeline in public. Well we’ve come this far may as well keep going.

We might precede MT’s Rook business in teensy steps.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 13th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

I don’t know Steel about Dr. Phil being on the scene — yakking with Lynne and all her fears? Yeh, that I see.

“She won’t talk to me Phil and these pictures. I never raised my daughter to show that!”

I deal with Dr. Phil in sketches… He is also another man of religion. I hate to keep hitting on that but god god god and 12 stepping.

I mean no offense to anyone just looking at Lynne’s circle, and Britney was outside of it — just like her other two children would become.

Why one wonders. What did you think of Britney auditioning at age 9? Kid was working. That was not fun and play. Very strange looks she gives after her audition/performance/do my dog trick.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:00 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

I’ll never see Sam on a white horse especially as someone Sands and had someone in common that was mutual.

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I’ll never see him on a white horse, either.

I see him more as a manipulative charmer with a filthy mouth and a story to tell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Zlpaj_Qbk&feature=related

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:02 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

do we want all of that online?

Damn.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That’s a story that should fit nicely into the timeline.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:04 am

Steel. Here is something I want to be a bulldog on.

Parachini was made to look bad. He made statements to the press that were in error. What happened there? Who was telling the truth? Who changed the truth? What was the truth.

I know you can be a bulldog. We are burrs in each other’s side at times.

So let’s not scurry off so fast into the macro world when the micro is before us.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:04 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

I don’t know Steel about Dr. Phil being on the scene — yakking with Lynne and all her fears?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Did Brit know that the good Doctor was on the scene?

I bet she did…I bet you at least $5 she did.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:06 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:04 am

Here is something I want to be a bulldog on.

Parachini was made to look bad. He made statements to the press that were in error. What happened there? Who was telling the truth? Who changed the truth? What was the truth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I’m betting HE thought they were the truth.

To start. Gotta think on that a bit. Bulldog me some more if I don’t come back to it.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:09 am

ok on Britney knowing her parent(s) were talking to Dr. Phil while nobody listens to her, “Kevin stepped out on me!” maybe.

Oh and did you come across Britney’s “management” being the ones to pull her away from Paris? AP.

Also, don’t miss that Michael Sands and his son spent time with Paris in 2006. How does “that” happen? Sands and his son?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

‘Right before Britney went into Promises (which time Lynne??), after she shaved her head, I got an anonymous call from a man while i was driving in Los Angeles, “There are drugs planted in Britney’s Malibu house,” he said, going on to tell me that there was a conspiracy with Kevin and Britney’s assistants to make my daughter look like a bad mother.’

Plus:

Feb, 21, 2007 - Sources tell TMZ.com Britney went this morning to meet with Blair Berk, a prominent criminal defense lawyer. Berk once repped Reese Witherspoon in her battle with hard-driving paparazzi. (PopDirt)

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Any relation??

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am

I’m sure MT didn’t like the Don Bolles story either.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:16 am

lol Steel. You grabbed my throat the other night. I know you are good for it.

Parachini. Who told him what was on the docket? How did it get into the system and retracted?

Where does Parachini go after the news is blown there is and never was a movement for this emergency hearing? No where.

Why didn’t he or someone else blow it out of the water? Hey, corruption in our system here…or…

“We will never sell our friend for money or favors” JFX. That line may say it all. Who knows.

It is unlikely Parachini would return a phone call of mine but you never know. My expertise was to get people to call me back but I don’t like wasting anyone’s time. I have no role and without one’s it’s wasting people’s time. A selfish need for knowledge. Won’t do it. It would be nuts.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:19 am

And who is the “official” word coming from on this story?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:26 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

Kaplan had contacted the court on Wednesday and asked for the appearance, according to the Associated Press.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This tells me the AP may have received a press release.

Possible? From who?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:28 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

Judge Glenda Hatchett, TV Judge in the US told AP Entertainment that Federline had been advised he needed “to go to an emergency hearing.”

advised? How would the TV judge know that?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

“Judge” for hire?

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Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:30 am

This may be helpful in the future:

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2007&month=2&country=1

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am

I think they all love the limelight but if we found the same names over and over as SMEs (subject matter experts) .. we just need to find a pattern of sources, release…

I don’t work or haven’t worked that beat you know what I mean?

The AP and a press release? I asked about that earlier. Who contacted Parahini for an update? Was he prompted? Or did he call a mini press conference? What other reporters got the information?

And about that call… I think I could pull it off but … You deal with primary sources as I have in the past. This reliance on secondary resources is driving me wild.

And yet I defer to someone else(s) who might do it. Does Twain? Rook. We didn’t do the job so maybe else is working on it. Or we did enough publicly to draw an eye.

Let’s not lose Parachini. Am I wrong in saying he is the closest to-it? A clear path as to timing, purpose, aim, misinformation, information, then a pull away.

Parahini learns from the bailiff about the “change” in the case that was never a “change” because there never was anything on the books as to an emergency hearing. But there was.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:38 am

I’ll work on the timeline maybe tomorrow. I am flagging a bit here. I want to be accurate.

Also, not being a bulldog but I don’t want to distance myself too much from Paris. She knew how the game was done and then she got screwed for misbehavior. Maybe.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:39 am

# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:30 am

This may be helpful in the future:

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2007&month=2&country=1

>>>>>>

There you go Ama courtesy of Steel.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:42 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am

Parahini learns from the bailiff about the “change” in the case that was never a “change” because there never was anything on the books as to an emergency hearing. But there was.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Plus:

“Michael Sands, a publicist for Federline’s attorney, told FOX News they believed someone made up the news of the hearing and told Los Angeles Superior Court spokesman Allan Parachini about it.”

Plus

“Earlier Thursday, Jamie Spears told FOX News that Federline and his lawyer were not scheduled to appear Thursday at an emergency hearing in family law court, as Parachini had said. He also alluded to someone leaking misinformation.”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

But there was.

Any idea of the time and date that the emergency hearing was originally “called in”?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:44 am

If Parachini got a press release? I’ll roll over and puke like the stray cat did last night on the property (we recently adopted her feral though she is). Court hearings are set by press release?

Why direct the press release through Parachini? ok Steel, the L.A. Court House gets press releases about court dates… c’mon.

For once you too thought out loud, maybe. Something official was logged into the computer system. The someone called Parachini? “Anything new any comments?” I have no idea how TMZ works just their court work on Britney was taken over by X. Or they choose not to report in the way they used to. Why.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:50 am

Just got your message. You have the time and date stamp from the AP as well as I.

If Parachini reported the hearing it was somewhere that he didn’t quite dispute what he was reading. Maybe that aid was fired.

Parachini can’t talk. He double checks procedure but that’s all.

ok why be so biased? How do I know the hearing was on the books? Why assume Parachini is a good guy, above taking a slide of cash or favor? He’s four years in the job and it’s the most exciting visible case he’s ever seen (need cross proof or do I?)

He’s in the paper. He’s getting dinner reservations, who knows. Hollywood is Brit’s hand in Japan. Glad she got away with it.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:51 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:38 am

Also, not being a bulldog but I don’t want to distance myself too much from Paris. She knew how the game was done and then she got screwed for misbehavior. Maybe.

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http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2007/04/kevin-federline-paris-hilton-party-in-las-vegas/

Schadenfreude?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:53 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:44 am

If Parachini got a press release?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No, the AP.

Did the AP receive a press release stating that there was a hearing?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 12:54 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:44 am

Something official was logged into the computer system.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I’ll bet you $5 it was. Okay, $4.

Logged, then cancelled?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:01 am

About Judge Glenda. Never heard of her and you?

It it my idea that Judge Glenda is mentioned, who, oh Judge Judy, and moved on with the article.

Reasonable yes?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:01 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:16 am

lol Steel. You grabbed my throat the other night. I know you are good for it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Just catching up…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7gTZDd7G_k

…LOL!

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:05 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am

I think they all love the limelight but if we found the same names over and over as SMEs (subject matter experts) .. we just need to find a pattern of sources, release…

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes. Starting with the headline, right down to the last word.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253618,00.html?sPage=fnc/entertainment/celebrity/spears

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am

I believe Parachini would have read from some official paper. But why do it? Was there a press conference? Was he contacted? “Dummy, look in your in-box. Hot news there. EMERGENCY hearing in Britney Spears.”

The AP? I really am racking my brains on something that happened in Seattle, in “our town” that they weren’t reporting on. It was something strange and was a strike in my image of the AP as on top of it.

9-11. They were strange times. It wasn’t me reporting in some clue or something … it was something I couldn’t believe they weren’t on top of. My point is simply AP is fallible.

And thus there is Ama’s point. I say something and it becomes fact of a sort because somebody said it, asked it, whatever.

If AP got a press release who would have sent it? If sending to AP it would have had to have a identity code .. something official. Something. On the other hand it could have been sent by a top PR firm. How would the AP have handled it?

There have been no apologies or explanation. Parachini went down as fall guy. I bet he would like a chance to clear his name as we the people didn’t predictably forget about it.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:01 am

About Judge Glenda. Never heard of her and you?

It it my idea that Judge Glenda is mentioned, who, oh Judge Judy, and moved on with the article.

Reasonable yes?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Media or Speaking Requests? Just fill out the form!

http://www.glendahatchett.com/index.html

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:15 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am

I believe Parachini would have read from some official paper. But why do it? Was there a press conference? Was he contacted?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What came first? Parachini, or Judge Hatchett?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:16 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am

If AP got a press release who would have sent it? If sending to AP it would have had to have a identity code .. something official. Something. On the other hand it could have been sent by a top PR firm. How would the AP have handled it?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.sandsdigitalmedia.com/

???

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:18 am

lol — oh is that what that song was about.

Agreed on Judge Judy (strike!) Glenda.

What do you make of Michael Levine? PR guru whatever.

If you read all the AP articles you know it was him that was talking about trainwreck, career over and bla bla.

Even better if we tied in a single name to Anna Nicole Smith and her own designed end. I don’t know. I keep thinking Florida and Northern Trust Bank. Orlando was a hot bed.

***

Sands is so weird today I can’t believe he was on CNN as some expert witness.

I know MT, space junk. I had it walking in. Patience?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:21 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 12:50 am

Just got your message. You have the time and date stamp from the AP as well as I.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Not the date and time stamp from AP. The date and time stamp for when the hearing was actually booked.

Any chance it was booked some time between here:

Feb. 20, 2007 - Checks into Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility in Malibu, California, only to check out less than 24 hours later. (MTV)

And here:

Feb, 21, 2007 - Sources tell TMZ.com Britney went this morning to meet with Blair Berk, a prominent criminal defense lawyer. Berk once repped Reese Witherspoon in her battle with hard-driving paparazzi. (PopDirt)

???

Oh my God, that Britney’s shameless! Checking out so spontaneously. Whatever would have provoked that?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:22 am

Back to our own primary sources, we have Mark talking about the end of December and then the three months. Keep it in your pocket.

**

Not quite relevant but even the VJ has to go for a piss break.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLXULfN77TQ

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:23 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:18 am

I keep thinking Florida and Northern Trust Bank. Orlando was a hot bed.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I didn’t catch that the first time around.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:34 am

Forget bulldogs. Pitbulls.

What if there is no press release?

Courthouse.

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Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:40 am

From the Fox News article:

“Parachini had said it was not known what issue the 28-year-old aspiring rapper planned to raise, though the former couple are in a custody dispute over their two children.

“Our best information is he will be here; she won’t,” Parachini said. “But anything is possible.”"

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Does “Emergency Hearing” equal “Ex Parte”?

“An ex parte decision is one decided by a judge without requiring all of the parties to the controversy to be present. In Australian, Canadian, U.K., and U.S. legal doctrines, ex parte means a legal proceeding brought by one person in the absence of and without representation or notification of other parties.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte

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Ummm…

It’s kind of hard to reach an “ex parte” decision when the other party spontaneously springs herself from rehab…

Feb. 20, 2007 - Checks into Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility in Malibu, California, only to check out less than 24 hours later. (MTV)

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:42 am

WOW at 1:21.

You are the master chef.

There were those reports based on Britney fearing her husband would try to take her children. So she checked out.

Then the next news Mom-Home gets is what — oh no no there was never an emergency court hearing.

If you look at this another way though?

If you look at this, and Steel I am just going to explore, an abuser always keeps his prey unrested and on the defense. Tuck it away. It might play in later and thus play sooner.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:47 am

Without getting too much into Anna Nicole (many have documented similarities between Anna and Britney and I don’t mean their “psychoses” but people and roles they took around them.)

Florida is probably odd bird or odd ball. But everything comes from Orlando. Not everything just.. ok there’s Brit’s business, WEG, Britney living with Justin in Orlando years ago. But then there’s that darned Northern Trust Fund.

I followed it before. Got no where. Throw it somewhere on the table or your bulletin board or in the trash.

We are getting somewhere maybe with Parachini and that week in February.

Wow to you. Britney left rehab for a reason. To fight for her children? To not let that S.O.B. win? (putting things into extremes here)

I never thought about it like that. The time/date becomes critical.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:49 am

And the end of it is, she-looks-bad.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:51 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:42

an abuser always keeps his prey unrested and on the defense. Tuck it away. It might play in later and thus play sooner.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Checking out so spontaneously. Impressive.

Most impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M241GwjRy4

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:56 am

This made no sense.

“Then the next news Mom-Home gets is what — oh no no there was never an emergency court hearing.”

So Mom gets home … there’s no court date, Britney’s crazy… when did the decision of the Malibu home come down?

What angers me here or frustrates is Lynne and Jamie’s involvement?

Pit bull. Otherwise I’ll get off track.

In minutiae then we may look at this week. Want to?

Don’t forget what Bishops are Steel in the present story. Thanks Mark. They are ****** and I am glad you are standing.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 1:58 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:56 am

What angers me here or frustrates is Lynne and Jamie’s involvement?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ignore the source. Look at the date:

http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britneys_mom_and_kevin_on_the_same_team-02222007.php

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 2:05 am

Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:40 am

Does “Emergency Hearing” equal “Ex Parte”?

“An ex parte decision is one decided by a judge without requiring all of the parties to the controversy to be present. In Australian, Canadian, U.K., and U.S. legal doctrines, ex parte means a legal proceeding brought by one person in the absence of and without representation or notification of other parties.” (Wiki)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

IF I have that right, then this now makes much more sense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hlhM6kRsqo

I don’t remember ever seeing the first take before. Interesting.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 2:14 am

Good night Steel.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 2:19 am

Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 1:58 am

Ignore the source. Look at the date

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Just for review…

Considering the source, to be taken with a HUGE lump of salt:

http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_xclusive_britney_update_a_new_man_a_new_agent_a_new_explanation_for_the_letter-06292007.php

Half true, half false? Who knows. But now it looks different, yet again.

P.S. Goodnight, A.M. Good work.

small hands Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 3:16 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Does Small know where we are?
————–
I do. I’ve been busy. I’m trying to get caught up and will try to post. I’ll be busy tomorrow too, so I will post more during the week 

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 5:21 am

MARK TWAIN Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

Key to play in the ‘Big Time’ is ‘Use or be used’.
Only thing that matters is the outcome.

‘Image is everything’.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sorry, MT. We’ll make it to present day in due time.

In the meantime…

“Image is everything.”

AM (or anyone), a question…

What is the very FIRST time we hear the suggestion of mental illness in regards to B?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 5:26 am

P.S. I don’t mean from gossip rags. I mean from an actual credible (or un-credible) source.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 5:42 am

I ask for a reason…

I’m looking for WHO put it out there. And who perpetuated it.

(I’m not interested whether it’s true or not, just looking for the source of the information or suggestion.)

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Good afternoon all.

Steel. I’ve been asking that same question for a long time.

I know the words were used in February but they weren’t from anyone close to Britney.

Good work yourself in locating and reposting those vids from X. I don’t know about shaving her head to avoid drug detection —

Do we believe that all of the information came from Sam in the article about the letter, etc.?

Also, from Britney’s tapes, do we believe that there was an “intervention” and it was based on things her family etc. had read in the news? She sure is angry at her mom. Did her mom tell the press Brit was pregnant or did the press run with that story and Brit was angry that anyone would believe her mother over her?

Dang. And I thought we were getting to Darth but it seems were back to Kaplan, K-Fed, and Spears.

Do you believe that Jamie ever spoke to FoxNews? I thought he didn’t talk to people.

I have a little time today but then I am off to bake cookies. Mark loves cookies. 

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

I know the words were used in February but they weren’t from anyone close to Britney.

>>> I think we need to review this notion. But we don’t need to limit it strictly to the word “Bi-Polar.” I think we should also look at words like “mental health,” and “alcoholism” and “sickness.” But we should be looking at the actual sources (close to Britney or not) who are coming out and saying these things. Putting names to faces?

Good work yourself in locating and reposting those vids from X. I don’t know about shaving her head to avoid drug detection —
Do we believe that all of the information came from Sam in the article about the letter, etc.?

>>> Yes, I believe Sam was the one speaking directly with X from June 2007 onwards. But going back to those orignal “It’s my time” videos taken in April - it appears it is B speaking directly to X herself following her release from rehab.

Also, from Britney’s tapes, do we believe that there was an “intervention” and it was based on things her family etc. had read in the news? She sure is angry at her mom.

>>> It appears she is saying that this is the reason she was being told she being sent to rehab.

Did her mom tell the press Brit was pregnant or did the press run with that story and Brit was angry that anyone would believe her mother over her?

>>> Sounds like her mom read “dirty gossip” in the press and believed it rather than believing her own daughter. At least this is the impression I’m left with.

Dang. And I thought we were getting to Darth but it seems were back to Kaplan, K-Fed, and Spears.
Do you believe that Jamie ever spoke to FoxNews? I thought he didn’t talk to people.

>>> Yes, I believe that Jamie spoke directly to Fox News.

I didn’t think he talked to people either. But now we have:

1/ The Fox News article, which quotes her father as saying she was being sent to rehab because she was a, “sick little girl.”

2/ We also have a second quote by Jamie to the NY Post, as a rebuttal to B’s statement to X17 upon her release from rehab:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm

Link to comment

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

Just keeping our dates straight, the video of her setting the record straight was shot April 13, 2007.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Good work yourself in locating and reposting those vids from X.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

On the topic of B speaking directly to X to record personal messages…

In June 2006, she sat down for an extensive interview with Matt Lauer. At the 4:00 mark, she makes some interesting statements:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GprUu55Z17Q&feature=related

Following her release from rehab, when she was beginning to become isolated from her management and family, I get the feeling she decided that instead of working against the paparazzi, she would work WITH them. Maybe she thought, “If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em”?

From then on in, it sounded as if her and Sam (or more particularly, Sam) used the paps as a source of communication with others and as the sole source of promotion for the Blackout album (apart from a single radio interview with Ryan Seacrest).

It’s a far cry from the promotion she’s doing for Circus, isn’t it?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

From the NY Post article:

“Jamie Spears told us in an e-mail: “When Larry Rudolph talked Britney into going into rehab, he was doing what her mother, father and team of professionals with over 100 years of experience knew needed to be done. She was out of control. Larry was the one chosen by the team to roll up his sleeves and deliver the message, to help save her life.”

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm

Between February and April 2007, B’s own father has now referred to her as:

1/ a “sick little girl”
2/ someone who was “out of control”
3/ someone who needed professional help to “save her life”

What message does that send to the public? Do you think the public believed him?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

A side note…

Also from the same NY Post article:

“A pal of Britney said the pop tart “had no drugs in her system when she was admitted to Promises - they [tested her] and there was nothing. She was embarrassed she had to go in there when she knew she was suffering from postpartum depression, not a drug or alcohol problem.”

Note that 10 months later, Ma stated in her declaration:

“Sam told Jackie and me that he grinds up Britney’s pills, which were on the counter and included Risperdol and Seroquel.”

http://www.usmagazine.com/read_lynne_spears_entire_declaration_here

A Google search shows both of these medications have been used to treat Post Partem Psychosis.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

AM, By April 2007, it’s possible that Sam had become the “source” in the NY Post article regarding the comments about B suffering from postpartem depression. I doubt it (as he doesn’t appear in photos with her until at least the end of June 2007)…

but it’s possible.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

I never believed Jamie and the NY Post. I thought that was Sam’s doing. Why communicate through a tawdry publication such as the NY Post?

I would be more apt to believe Jamie said “sick little girl” if Fox had captured it on camera.

mw, between rehab and Brit setting the record straight, the financials of Brit’s divorce were finalized circa 3/30 (sorry to be saying circa right now — I’ve just been scouting around). Thirteen days later or 23 days after getting out of rehab, Britney finally lashes out.

One wonders what was going on with the battle for custody at the time and which side Lynne & company were pushing for.

oh nice job Lynne. “The Breakdown” is her title for the chapter on Britney doing to rehab.

‘When she is at her best, Britney is an amazing mother. After she had Preston, she was teh most protective, attentive parent; I rarely saw that baby off her hip. She was alwayus kissing him and singing to him and could not wipe the smile off her face. I never saw a mama so goo-go over her baby. In good times, she is so excited and proud to be the boys’ mama, and she’s full of plans for what kinds of activities they can do when they’re together. But during this time period she wasn’t at her best, to say the least.

She got out of rehab after a month, and I could see right away that it hadn’t provided the healing Britney needed in her life. All it did was slow her down a little bit, and her anger at me had not cooled. In fact, she refused to speak to me, and our estrangement would last an excruciating seven months.’

This is preceded in the book by “Jamie and I, Larry, and other members of her team–felt she needed to check in somewhere and just chill. She was hurting so badly–that was obvious–and she needed to stop running from the pain and address it.”

Lynne says nothing about drugs, drinking - just her own horror of seeing Britney shaving her head on national TV.

She also mentions that Britney did lash out at her after rehab, ‘…accusing me of siding with Kevin and “letting” him have the boys while she was at Promises. But I didn’t have nearly as much say as she must have thought I had. Kevin is their father, and he had every legal right to have them. There wasn’t much I could do. If it had been up to me, I would have taken Preston and Jayden home with me to Louisiana.’

Come to think of it, didn’t Britney start to act out after she came back from Christmas with Lynne? Or was she already going out with Paris in December? When did she stop hanging out with Paris?

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 5:21
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..

….
AM (or anyone), a question…
What is the very FIRST time we hear the suggestion of mental illness in regards to B?”
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The first ones, and times, I think of is x17 and then Sam Lutfi.

Maybe because they was always screaming highermost ?

This video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hlhM6kRsqo) with the one who talk in broken french/english with Britney, must be “David”. Working whole time video for x17.
x17´s “darling”.

Then of course x17 sold it out round the world.
”””””
””””””’

But as you undertand I dont talk about this video, as the “first time” mention Britney =”sick” in some way.
”””””
”””””””’

I suppose it start directly when K Fed get legal “help” or was taking advise.. And that he get BEFORE Britney want the divorce. When he get the information (two kids get you for sure mor money than one, if=when divorce), then they get together again, everything was fine, she was fine, and then after child Jayden was born, he did not even pretend any more. Britney then ask for divorce.

THEN the “sick” talk started.

Who he cooperated with, I don’t know, but that the rumors come from him I´m so sure of, becasue he is a very dirty person.
He needed to clean up his act, and he get help with that. Sands… 007 

Look at the video with Sand again, (when he have start working for Sam Lutfi)
M Sands talk about how he was able to work (play it ?) hard and dirty..no misstake there, he was insuring, if anyone wonder. But most of all, mr Sands said he was a very nice man, as Kevin Federline and as Sam Lutfi was too. 
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Kevin Federline love his kids, but not as much as Britney does, because she belived in pure love when they was “made” to be. They are her love childs.

Kevin Federline have never loved Britney, so it was (is?) easy for him to act dirty.

And what a reward for all who was prepared to help him collect and shares the money!

Britneys money.

And now AM and Steel, I shall take time to read every word you have give to help look for the “dirty ones”

As you understand, it will take me more time, and about dates..
We dont even have the same date more then about half of the day.. Also get the date/day some kind of different :

Wrong spellings..hope readable even so 

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

MARK TWAIN Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

Key to play in the ‘Big Time’ is ‘Use or be used’.
Only thing that matters is the outcome.

‘Image is everything’.

AND

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

Come to think of it, didn’t Britney start to act out after she came back from Christmas with Lynne? Or was she already going out with Paris in December? When did she stop hanging out with Paris?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Rehab in February 2007. The “In” thing for all of Hollywood’s hottest “It Girls.”

http://www.hollywood.com/news/Lohan_Parties_with_Paris_While_in_Rehab/3652815

What better way to revamp your image?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

Ama. This is for you. K-Fed had his publicist, Marilyn Lopez.

I saw her name in context to Brit getting out of rehab while K-Fed went to Vegas to celebrate his 29th birthday.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-03-21-spears-completes-rehab_N.htm

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

I never believed Jamie and the NY Post. I thought that was Sam’s doing. Why communicate through a tawdry publication such as the NY Post?

I would be more apt to believe Jamie said “sick little girl” if Fox had captured it on camera.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Back in February and April 2007, wouldn’t Jamie or his lawyers have said something if a publication was misquoting him or fabricating quotes, especially on a subject such as this?

Was Sam even in the picture at this point?

Just things to think about…

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

A quick scan of the Internet shows she was his publicist back in 2006 when he was doing the rapping.

She came out of Jive at some point and went to work for a firm called CTG.

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8N2d7i_SXs

E news kevin federline speaks about her marriage with britney

Oh oh ho ho hooo oh hooo oh..

“dont even talk with me”
“get behind my back”, “filed for divorce”, “completly “blindsided”

  

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
….
Back in February and April 2007, wouldn’t Jamie or his lawyers have said something if a publication was misquoting him or fabricating quotes, especially on a subject such as this?
Was Sam even in the picture at this point?
Just things to think about…
**************

I dont think Jamie Spears think it is any idea to go against any rumor, gossip or lies..

The “media” just come up with new ones..

Don’t we all “know” =have seen, how this gossip media work?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

Or was she already going out with Paris in December? When did she stop hanging out with Paris?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.usmagazine.com/paris_calls_brit_the_animal?page=3

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Rehab in February 2007. The “In” thing for all of Hollywood’s hottest “It Girls.”
http://www.hollywood.com/news/Lohan_Parties_with_Paris_While_in_Rehab/3652815
What better way to revamp your image?”

Don’t we all agree that Britney was down and have some distressed problems.
Her love was not real love, it was a fake.
She was left alone with the kids, she have been braken down by the man she thougt loved her, her husband. The father to her childs. the whole world know that her love was a fake, that she have meet a womanizer.
He called her fat, ugly and more. He said that her friends dont like her.
Futher more, Kevin Federline, the havey drinker, and potsmoker could get his time to clean his image, without rehab, why could she not get the same change 

Answer:
She had the money.
And he have no time to lose. He was in a hurry, the advisers know that.

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1DvTuQGbDw
Ughhhhhh, he have no shame!!!!!

Britney was asking for ONR hour more toime with the kids, and Kevin refused her this hour.
she had been in some meeting (familiycourt thing, or drog test) so she had lose one hour of the time with the kids.
Kevin done this to her.
He know she could not take more humbling treatment from him.
He did not had to pressure in the way he did.

He could have went to her and stay this hour, if so outside the house, but oooI forgot, he was a Kaplan/Sands puppet, and he liked to be a Kaplan/Sands puppet, because that would give him, and his other kids a very nice future.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

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Ama, what I was trying to say is that Brit’s management may have thought that rehab was a good way to repair her image, since both Paris and Lindsay were recently in rehab.

So, they sent her to rehab against her will. She apparently was very angry at them for this.

Link to comment

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

Ama. Steel. That’s what bugged me too. If down or healing time was what she needed why send her to a 12-step? Britney gets no say because if she says, “That was the media” or “I am not a drug addict” the TEAM says, “She’s in denial. All addicts say that.”

So they try to break her spirit some more — even if that wasn’t the intention — by disbelieving in her and sending her to rehabilitation, or else.

Up comes the hearing and then it disappears. Parachini doesn’t say, “It was cancelled.” He says Kaplan’s side called the bailiff.

I wouldn’t have talked to my mother or family either if they did that to me. The girl barely got out there and partied by an ordinary person’s standards for a 25 year old — sans the panty incidents etc.

Anyway, I think we understand her frame of mind better. There are certain songs on Circus that also seem to be about K-Fed. That lyrics on Mannequin, “You’re always talking around it” and “You told me more than he did.”

And what does a woman or a person mean when they say, “I never thought he would leave me?” All that’s missing is, “…for another woman.”

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

What do you think of this old article now?

http://www.ok-magazine.com/news/view/1763

Brit’s friend versus Alli. Bad cop good cop again?
A teleconference with OK?

Sam paving the way? With Alli present saying, “She’s okay, she’s not crazy” and Sam tarnishing Britney and her family …. can anyone really step in?

MH Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

>>>since both Paris and Lindsay were recently in rehab.

Paris Hilton has never been in rehab, has she?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

Cross-prove this?

The apartment where Alli moved her things is the same condo building where Lynne had an apartment?

http://www.ok-magazine.com/news/view/1763

Is that true or was thsi some kind of Sam or media game?

I’m not worried about Darth btw — new players on the table per Mark. There could still be rematches however.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

Nevermind. That must be a silliness re the condo.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

MH Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

Paris Hilton has never been in rehab, has she?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I stand corrected. No, she hasn’t!

It’s funny, though. When you Google “Paris Hilton” and “rehab,” a ton of articles come up. Stuff like this:

http://www.celebden.com/17/paris-hilton%E2%80%99s-rehab-gets-cut-in-half/

I got fooled. It wasn’t rehab - it was jail! LOL

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

Cross-prove this?

The apartment where Alli moved her things is the same condo building where Lynne had an apartment?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I seem to remember hearing this before.

Well, if Jamie Lynn stayed with Alli in October 2007, rather than Lynn, I do suspect that Alli was a lot closer to the family than we’re led to believe.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

Who is to say that Jamie Lynn didn’t stay with her mother at the Marina Del Rey condo?

Who knows. Let’s throw it up on a board and leave it for now?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

Who is to say that Jamie Lynn didn’t stay with her mother at the Marina Del Rey condo?

Who knows. Let’s throw it up on a board and leave it for now?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sure.

But I’m not even going to pretend for a second that I know the addresses of where these people live. LOL

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

lol thanks. You can pursue it but it seemed in a quick search it was a blind alley, a waste of time for me personally.

But we can play devil’s advocate. OK, Alli was a family friend or whatever whom they knew from the grandparents marriage etc.

She must have done pretty bad then to be just an “assistant.”

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

Something more clear now on third reading. It was just before Britney went into Promises, after she shaved her head… per Lynne when she gets the anonymous call from Sam about the drugs and Kevin’s and Brit’s plans to make Britney look like a bad mother.

Lynne gives both Kevin and the assistants (plural)the benefit of the doubt but Britney was so fragile that Lynne wasn’t going to take any chances. “She had just lost custody of the boys to Kevin, and she was at a very low ebb.”

She had just lost custody? Anyone have a date on official “loss of custody?”

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

Was it behind closed doors?

Did they just think that Britney would go along with it? I wonder what she had to sign — it must have included the childrens’ visitation to Promises?

When Britney shaved her head was it her turn for visitation, or keeping the kids over?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

Something more clear now on third reading. It was just before Britney went into Promises, after she shaved her head…

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

BEFORE Promises, but AFTER she shaved her head.

That could be EITHER trip to Promises.It must be some time between these dates, though:

Feb. 16 (evening, after trip to hair salon)

to

Feb. 22 (morning, before re-entering Promises)

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

she gets the anonymous call from Sam about the drugs and Kevin’s and Brit’s plans to make Britney look like a bad mother.
Lynne gives both Kevin and the assistants (plural)the benefit of the doubt

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Kevin, plus:

Alli Simms & Kalie Machado?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

Steel. Let’s tie in your dates with FoxNews and the AP. brb.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

p.s. for fun Steel you really should pull those stories I brought up from the AP database. They are scripted.

Like the one on Parachini — that was for AP Television (huh? AP has television or they create scripts to be televised?). The opening soundbyte?

Michael Levine, “”Well, I think the first thing she has to do is tend to her own personal demons. Before we even begin to address the train wreck of her career, we need to first make sure that she’s going to live to exist.”

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

“Kalie Machado claims that while she was Britney’s assistant, she received a call from a man “at a restricted number” who said he was a private investigator working for Brit’s ex husband Kevin Federline. That man was Sam. “He said he had incriminating evidence on Britney and he was going to hand it over to me,” she recalls. “We arranged to meet in a Santa Monica Starbucks.”

http://www.cele*****y.com/9838/sam_lutfi_stalked_britney_before_befriending_her_claims_her_ex_assistant/

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sam called Kalie, and says he works for Kevin Federline and has incriminated evidence against Britney he wants to give her.

AND

Sam called Lynn, and says that Kalie has incriminating evidence that her and Kevin are trying to plant.

Hmmm…

Same players in both stories. Except Lynn isn’t a “character” in Kalie’s story, while Kalie is a character in Lynn’s.

Confusing.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

The timeline:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Feb. 14, 2007 - Britney checks into Crossroads Centre, a rehab facility on the Caribbean island of Antigua, only to check out a day later. (MTV)

Feb. 16, 2007 - Shaves her head in Sherman Oaks. (MTV)

Feb. 20, 2007 - Checks into Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility in Malibu, California, only to check out less than 24 hours later. (MTV)

Feb, 21, 2007 - Sources tell TMZ.com Britney went this morning to meet with Blair Berk, a prominent criminal defense lawyer. Berk once repped Reese Witherspoon in her battle with hard-driving paparazzi. (PopDirt)

Feb. 21, 2007 - Attacks X17 pap team w/ umbrella

Feb. 22, 2007 - Checks back into Promises. (MTV)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So…

We need to enter the dates of the phantom “emergency hearing” (Feb. 22), the date the phantom “emergency hearing” was first scheduled (prior to Feb. 22),

AND

The date Sammy contacted Machado, then met her at a Starbucks.

AND

The date Sammy called Lynn about drugs being planted at B’s home.

AND

The date B “lost custody” to Federline??

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

TMZ has a video of Britney leaving Promises 2-21?

Sorry the rest is repeat.

2-16 Friday shaves head AFTER Kevin won’t let her see the kids

2-20 Enters Promises

2-21 Leaves Promises for the 2nd time
2-21 Parachini states to the AP there is an emergency hearing scheduled to Thursday, 2-22

2-22 Spears enters Promises and stays 30 days

Relevant but nothing to do with a calendar:

http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/29/britney-claims-her-rehab-was-bogus/

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

Correction:

2-20 Enters Promises

2-21 Leaves Promises for the 2nd time

Didn’t she check into Promises on the 21st and leave a few hours later?

I am getting conflicting reports so if you have it as fact, that’d be great. Nice move on Kalie and Lynne. I’ll brb.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/29/britney-claims-her-rehab-was-bogus/

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This TMZ article is a good one, AM. Hold on to that one.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

“After leaving Promises…Britney and her assistant, Allie Sims, called Promises multiple times, asking for a copy of the report showing that she tested dirty for drugs and/or alcohol when she checked in.

We’re told it took several days to get an answer. Only two reports were sent to Britney’s rep, both showing no drug or alcohol use whatsoever. Most shocking, the first report was dated March 7, 15 days after Britney checked in.

Sources say one of Britney’s reps then called the facility and asked for any evidence of a dirty test, but she was told there was nothing in the file. The question — if the first test was taken more than two weeks after Britney checked in, how could they treat her if they didn’t know the problem?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The facility does not look good in this.

*ahem*

Note the continued relationship between the owner’s charities and “TSF.” 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

About Kalie and Lynne. Does it affect Divide and Conquer?

He calls Kalie and lets her know there is a plot.

He calls Lynne and tells her there is a plot involving Kalie and Alli. They are all in on the plan.

What’s the purpose in involving Lynne? To make Lynne do what?

Is it clear that Lynne believes there may be drugs in the house but no one but Britney put it there? Because K-Fed, and Brit’s assistants, couldn’t have done it right? And Lynne, who doesn’t put herself on the line until Jamie Lynn is about to go to Tennessee….

Side question. Does Lynne grow closer to Jamie throughout this? Why’s she still wearing or again wearing a wedding ring? (when she is spotted going to Kevin’s house to take care of the kids as you posted earlier today)

I have asked this question before. Where was Britney that night? Lynne feels sure to freely search the house with Alli. Was Antigua before or after Friday the 16th? Does Lynne know with confidence that Britney is not home? Does Sam?

I am only going to say it to Small: gaw-dang it sometimes I get so p.o.’d with Lynne!

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

Nice way to drive a wedge between mother and daughter.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

Let’s not forget also how the phantom hearing that was or wasn’t made the news. Or did FoxNews try to distort it? It must feel good in a way to way we outdid you AP — you reported incorrectly there was a hearing.

Something stinks here but Kaplan is a gymnast. Don’t forget the pink tights.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

Feb. 14, 2007 - Britney checks into Crossroads Centre, a rehab facility on the Caribbean island of Antigua, only to check out a day later. (MTV)

Feb. 16, 2007 - Shaves her head in Sherman Oaks (AFTER Kevin won’t let her see the kids). (MTV)

Feb. 20, 2007 - Checks into Promises Malibu Alcohol and Drug Rehab Treatment Facility in Malibu, California. (MTV)

Feb. 21, 2007 - Checks out of Promises.

Feb. 21, 2007 - Parachini states to the AP there is an emergency hearing scheduled to Thursday, 2-22. (AP)

Feb, 21, 2007 - Sources tell TMZ.com Britney went this morning to meet with Blair Berk, a prominent criminal defense lawyer.(PopDirt)

Feb. 21, 2007 - Attacks X17 pap team w/ umbrella

Feb. 22, 2007 - Checks back into Promises (staying for 30 days). (MTV)

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

Let’s not forget also how the phantom hearing that was or wasn’t made the news. Or did FoxNews try to distort it? It must feel good in a way to way we outdid you AP — you reported incorrectly there was a hearing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What if neither Fox nor AP tried to distort it.

What if there WAS a hearing, and it was cancelled after Brit checked herself out of rehab and tried to show up to it?

The legal side of things here is VERY important.

If we’re talking “Ex Parte,” we’re talking one side only. We’re talking, “Behind her back.”

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

What’s the purpose in involving Lynne? To make Lynne do what?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Listen to what BRIT is saying. Over and over again:

“Sources tell TMZ that Lynne Spears, Kevin Federline and then-manager Larry Rudolph all pressured Britney to check herself in. We’re told Spears acknowledged having emotional problems after her second child was born, but strongly maintained she did not have a drug or alcohol problem.”

PLUS

Photos of Ma showing up at K-Fed’s the day of the phantom hearing.

PLUS

Brit’s video rant to X17 in April 2007.

PLUS

Brit’s faux restraining order against her mother in June 2007.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What’s the common denominator here?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

AM, Did the jewelry and shoe endorsements come before or after the phone call about the “search”?

We should put that into the timeline.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

I have asked this question before. Where was Britney that night? Lynne feels sure to freely search the house with Alli.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Already in rehab?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

Something to consider when considering Lynne.

The older generations era and women’s attachment to men. “So nice to have a man around,” bla bla.

I personally have had to destroy the image and thought my own mother has had toward some men. When my sister (the one who is deceased) when through her divorce, my mom said, “She’ll lose that house,” and maybe crap about, “She’ll never have that again,” (ouch) and “She’s being ridiculous.”

Did my sister tell my mother that her husband was having an affair with the Maid of Honor?

Sometimes a person is tied and twisted. It’s difficult to say, I married a twit, or I was stupid and young and so the lie is there.

I destroyed Bob, the ex, for both my mother and my sister, by telling the truth but it was hard for me to do.

“He tried to kiss me, Mom,” and I was a little girl and we were around a campfire but my sis had stepped off to pee in the woods. She saw it in coming back and it was passed off as a joke while she let me know later that she did have a talk with him.

I’d like to think that Britney told her mom all, but maybe she didn’t. There is this stupid part of us women to build ourselves up sometimes… or not worrying anyone, or protecting everyone (see Britney Spears) while we go through misery ourselves.

If K-Fed stepped out on Britney, it’s possible Britney did not destroy him to her mother… not so much anyway with specifics. You invite specifics you invite judgment and rationale on another’s side. “Of course Kevin is not staying home, he has a new album to work on.”

Mom: you are not hearing me.

And so you turn away and carry the burden.

I am just adding two cents for Lynne’s side so I won’t be so p.o.’d at her with siding on K-Fed’s side.

Assistants. Divide and conquer? Lynne has a relationship with them? FTR, by Lynne Spears. Saying something saying nothing. Lynne Spears is not in FTR.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

Let’s not forget also how the phantom hearing that was or wasn’t made the news.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What was the PURPOSE of this hearing? What’s NEW to this situation? What’s so EMERGENCY about it?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

p.s. Bob and I did not have an affair. I was a child. But it was on a visit to my sister’s house to stay with her, that she told me all that went down.

She had her nephew in the car (a further complication to telling the truth and the speed with which she drove) and saw her husband driving by. She followed him to the maid of honor’s house, etc.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

Endorsements and shoes came later.

Why involve Lynne again?

Cocky or…? Taking a pulse?

How does Lynne know how Sam came into Britney’s life?

I find her simple sentences in that regard, ridiculous. “Little did I know….” She pinned it on Alli meeting Sam in a club. Was it the truth? Her explanation is that he was looking for a backdoor. Should we believe her?

No. This woman does not know “how” she was used but she’s trying to explain it to others. Who gave her the story of how Sam came into Britney’s life and why did she use the month of October as to the time when he was “inserted” into her life?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

“Kalie was nervous, so she brought her roommate with her. She says she spent 20 minutes listening to Sam talk and when she demanded to see the evidence, he instead “asked all kinds of stalkerish questions - like when we leave the house and where Britney and I went.”

http://www.cele*****y.com/9838/sam_lutfi_stalked_britney_before_befriending_her_claims_her_ex_assistant/

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why would Sammy need to know what time they leave the house, or where they go? Oh, right, he’s a private investigator WORKING for K-Fed.

Was he perhaps inquiring so he could figure out the best time to plant the evidence??

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

Who gave her the story of how Sam came into Britney’s life and why did she use the month of October as to the time when he was “inserted” into her life?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Brit’s new manager, Jeff Kwanitez (sp?), left her following the VMA debacle in September 2007. She was left without a manager.

It appears Sammy then took over Jeff’s spot at this time, and inserted himself into her business affairs once the spot was vacant.

Is this what Ma may have meant?

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

I will send in some “old news”.
And I will do it in short comments so it not end in a wery long mesage.

I reversed and start looking for other comments and “news”

I start with this :
I have read somewhere (anyone free to help to find the place :mrgreen:) that Britney have said that she new it was something who change in 2003 who have impact on her life from then.
I start asking: - What..
Not the Timberlake “thing” no, I dont belive it was that.
What have change then?
Jamie Spears have been sober for 5 years..?
2003 -> = 5 years?

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

Then I find this article, I´m not shore where, but I will find it, or any of you find the place:

From 2003, so MT, this rules is not new 

“Britney - hard to interview

IT’S ironic that Britney Spears once sang about feeling over-protected.

Interviewing her is like a military operation. She is promoting an album she is hailing as her most personal statement, but talks about it only with journalists who sign a contract detailing what she can and can’t be asked, with record-company staffers shadowing her just in case.

The fact that the same staffers have just handed out a press kit containing a photocopy of the W magazine article in which Spears talks of losing her virginity to Justin Timberlake and her liaison with Fred Durst, then make journalists sign an agreement that those topics cannot be broached with Spears, speaks volumes.

Spears is a woman of contradictions: she continually talks about “inspiring” her fans, yet rudely shuns them at her British movie launch.

She’s the woman happy to pose topless for Rolling Stone
(only her arms stop it becoming a Playboy shoot) and to pull down her panties to show the work of her personal waxer, but is foolish enough to complain she wore several outfits but the “half nude” shots were the ones the magazine used.

Strange. What’s going on with her?!?!
November 15, 2003″

**************

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

Then I remeber that I read that the 3th time Britney was going to this rehab, it was her father Jamie Spears who follow her to the place.

This part I´m not sure of:
I dont knwo if there was a picture too, THAT I dont remeber for sure.

All the other things I have read.
Brain put together pieces and then spit it out when to many pices are connected.
If this proof anything, I dont know.
What do you get from it?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

One has to wonder, just a little, how those conversations between Sam and Lynne went. Not talk about Britney Spears? r u kidding?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

Let’s not forget also how the phantom hearing that was or wasn’t made the news.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What was the PURPOSE of this hearing? What’s NEW to this situation? What’s so EMERGENCY about it?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Britney had already lost custody…. she comes out she’s got full or half with or without the court. She goes down and she loses rights.

She was screwed if she did rehab and screwed if she didn’t.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

# Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

I have asked this question before. Where was Britney that night? Lynne feels sure to freely search the house with Alli.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Already in rehab?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

oc. Locate the date then we have a date.

Antigua? Why so far away? How did Antigua get leaked anyway, if privacy was a reason…. Britney was there for a few hours right but we are told she checked in. Same with Promises.

I don’t know. Promises was clearly Lynne and company’s choice. Was Britney even included?

“We had heard good things about Promises, a rehab center in Malibu, where she could have intensive counseling and receive some blessed solace from the media hounding her night and day. I wanted her to go to Prmises, but Britney’s didn’t want to, and she was livid at me for trying to “force” her to. She ended up staying a month.

When she was gone, I tried to help out with the boys as much as I could, as I stayed in LA for much of that month. I reminded them often that their mama loved them and would come back to them as soon as she was able.

Kevin, meanwhile, was making all the right choices. He was a calm caring daddy, firm with their behavior. Later, Britney would last out…”

Caption on this page in big print, “Kevin, meanwhile, was making all the right choices during this time. He was a clam caring daddy, firm with their behavior.” This is in caps as are all the captions in the book.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

She was screwed if she did rehab and screwed if she didn’t.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

AM, What does Ma say about the results of the search?

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

This looong article I for sure have not seen before..but its from feb this year.

This Sam..he is not for real!!!!

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1581619/20080214/spears_britney.jhtml

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

Brain put together pieces and then spit it out when to many pices are connected.
If this proof anything, I dont know.
What do you get from it?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ama, I think we are slowly creeping towards understanding each other! LOL

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

Ama. I thought the third time she went to rehab it was with her mother? I’ll look around.

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

AM
I´m sure I have read, yesterday or not long ago, an old article (a gossip paper US something?) that Jamie Spears was the one to follow Britney to this rehab the 3rd time.
I react on that, so I´m sure.

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

Or E something.. Now I dont know…. 
Anyway, I´m sure it was an article form a paper, not a blogg or something like that.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:07 pm

ok cross proof please. After Britney emerged from Promises the kids continued to live with Federline?

x-proof please — I am reading E!

Where were the kids in 2007? So she did lose custody in February?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

oc. Locate the date then we have a date.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Is it possible that Sammy succeeded in planting something on behalf of K-Fed (or his lawyer), and that the search was done on the night of February 20th?

If something was “found,” is it possible that this provoked an emergency (or “ex parte”) hearing to be called on Feb. 21st, with the hearing set for the following day, that would discuss the results of the search and give the judge reason to give K-Fed full legal custody of the boys?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

Further to that, it would explain B’s trip to see a criminal defense lawyer on Feb. 21st.

It would also explain how they got her back IN, for the third time, on February 22nd. “Stay out and we proceed with the hearing. Check back in and the search results will not be made public.”

And so the hearing is cancelled, and everyone denies that it ever existed.

…This is all just hypothetical, of course. Ramblings.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 9:07 pm

Where were the kids in 2007? So she did lose custody in February?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This is VERY important. The legal manoeuvres going on behind closed doors are what is provoking the PR gurus to shape the story in the media.

I was always under the impression that she did NOT loose custody until October 2007.

Am I wrong in thinking this??

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

Where were the kids in 2007? So she did lose custody in February?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This kind of relates to my questioning a while back about what happens when someone checks into rehab. I asked if B would’ve signed over her finances to someone else.

Did she also sign over custody to K-Fed for the duration of her rehab stay?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

From People:

“Britney Spears and Kevin Federline reached a divorce settlement Thursday, PEOPLE has learned.”

“The parties signed a global settlement on all issues of their marriage and the custody of the children,” Michael Sands, a spokesman for Federline’s attorney Mark Vincent Kaplan, tells PEOPLE.”

“The deal comes just days after Spears left rehab on March 20.”

“After a wild weekend in which she shaved her head, Spears entered rehab at Promises in Malibu, where she stayed for about four weeks. Federline, who watched the boys during her treatment, declined to return custody to Spears until he was satisfied with her post-rehab follow-through, according to a source.”

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20016486,00.html

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

Wasser to Britney — You’re Someone Else’s Problem Now
Posted Sep 17th 2007 11:20AM by TMZ Staff

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/17/wasser-to-britney-youre-someone-elses-problem-now/

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Find this pic.
Sam the paparazzi taking pics of Britney and Felipe (x17 guy)

http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/news/s/spears_britney/spears_lutfi_080131/281×211.jpg

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Find this pic.
Sam the paparazzi taking pics of Britney and Felipe (x17 guy)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Is it possible that Sammy was hired by K-Fed (or his lawyer) to act as a private investigator…And that Lutfi continued to play this role right up until the 5150’s?

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

Think this was heartbreaking:

“”Britney’s feelings toward her parents are off and on,” says a family friend. “One minute she is begging for their presence, the next she wants nothing to do with them. But they are actively trying to get her help.”

…..

If there is any silver lining in Spears’ latest hospitalization, it is that, unlike her trip to Cedars-Sinai on Jan. 3, she did not resist when Nadel issued the 72-hour hold.

……
Even in the fogged mental state her mother described when she was at home shortly before being taken to the hospital,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Spears voiced the same sentiment over and over: “When do I get to see my babies?”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I know one thing, if I have gone through what Britney had the last years, with the love and the joy of getting those babies, and then lose all fait in her husband, and on top of that, get Sam Lutfi into my head..then I have gone sick too.

Womanizer and other kinds of not so well-meaning people we all can handle in some way, but people like Sam Lutfi are not good in any way for ones brain and common health.
DANGER!

I dont think peopel understand how much he could have harmed Britney with those cocktails..
Harmed her for life!

I have read, in my own language, what could be remained secondary effect of those pills! If given wrong and in not right dosages.

I dont have the list now, but ones I had!

It was terrible. Neurologic side-effects. Terrible. Visible effects. Irreparable
And I don’t talk about weight gains..

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

Is it the answer to this you have look for the whole time Steel_ ?

“Only weeks after the VMA disaster, a judge ordered Spears to surrender custody of her two children to her ex-husband, ruling that Federline would take custody of Sean Preston and Jayden James only two days after said ruling “until further order of the court.”
The order stemmed from an unspecified oral motion made by Federline’s attorneys and was handled in a closed-door hearing. The judge’s order did not state the reason for the change in custody and all transcripts of the proceedings were ordered sealed.”

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

“Only weeks after the VMA disaster, a judge ordered Spears to surrender custody of her two children to her ex-husband, ruling that Federline would take custody of Sean Preston and Jayden James only two days after said ruling “until further order of the court.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That’s when I thought B officially lost custody. But AM found an article dating from the rehab era that said she lost custody then.

It sounds to me like she temporarily lost custody while she was in rehab, but then:

“The parties signed a global settlement on all issues of their marriage and the custody of the children,” Michael Sands, a spokesman for Federline’s attorney Mark Vincent Kaplan, tells PEOPLE.”

“The deal comes just days after Spears left rehab on March 20.”

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
….
Is it possible that Sammy was hired by K-Fed (or his lawyer) to act as a private investigator…And that Lutfi continued to play this role right up until the 5150’s?”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I dont think its possibly to make any sure deal with Sam Lutfi. 

I can’t see him as a trusted “lomgtime” employer. For a day and if he have his way, and if you tell him that he is brillant, maybe. 

 But who copes to do that day after day?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

I dont think its possibly to make any sure deal with Sam Lutfi.

I can’t see him as a trusted “lomgtime” employer. For a day and if he have his way, and if you tell him that he is brillant, maybe.

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And I’d bet you $5 that Kaplan learned that the hard way! LOL

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

his I DON’T believe, because she must be healthy if she shall be with her kids, and she loves them most of all in the world.

http://www.popcrunch.com/britney-spears-hunger-strike-in-protest-of-conservatorship/

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

correction:
This I DON`T belive

Amapola Says: 
December 14th, 2008 at 10:38 pm

“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 10:32 pm Amapola Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
I dont think its possibly to make any sure deal with Sam Lutfi.
I can’t see him as a trusted “lomgtime” employer. For a day and if he have his way, and if you tell him that he is brillant, maybe.
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And I’d bet you $5 that Kaplan learned that the hard way! LOL”

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small hands Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:10 am

Wow, You guys have posted so much!!
There were a few things I wanted to say.
AM, dang it Lynne’s pisses me off too. Which is why I try to not talk about her. It’s so hard becauce everything seems to lead back to her.
A few things I wanted to say, I do believe it was Jamie that wrote the NY Post, or whatever it was about Britney and rehab. I remember when Britney checked into rehab, there was interview advertised on MSNBC w/ Jamie that was going to talk about Britney. I saw it, as did a few other posters at another forum, but it mysteriously never aired and there was no mention of it ever again. It was strange. The show was Scarborough Country. I wonder if the interview was done but never aired?
I’ll post more tomorrow 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

Small, I will try to follow up on the phantom interview with Pa Spears.

Steel, about Ma. I didn’t have the full picture when I talked to her — so we talked briefly about Parachini — she was in the middle of making dinner so I’m not really sure what sunk in.

She remarked in the past that Britney would never okay without her children. “Well of course. Afterall her children are at somebody else’s house and someone else is kissing them goodnight.”

To review other things Ma has said — when she heard about Lutfi she said he must followed and studied her for a very long time. Did I tell you that my mother is the mother of seven but that she spent the later part of her career as ward supervisor and RN at State Hospital in Washington state — the ward was for the criminally insane.

When I was little she was an RN in the same nursery where all seven of us were born. She’s been an asset in talking near the full range of issues we have brought up here.

Steel. That was no article I found but straight from the horse’s mouth.

Lynne Spears wrote, “She had just lost custody of the boys to Kevin, and she was at a low ebb.” p165 Chapter 27, “****** Around”Through the Storm

When Lynne talks to Sam months later she recognizes him as the anonymous caller. Lynne told him that he was wrong his conspiracy theory and drugs being planted in Britney’s house.

“”…he proteste: “There were drugs; you just didn’t find them,” he said, earnestly.”"

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

Steel. Does your cross-proof valid enough to believe that Kevin had still had custody once Britney was released?

Ama. I too would go MAD.

Anyone. Supposedly Jamie was made the conservator (I’ll find Lynne’s words later) as he was the stronger one, disciplinarian etc. What if though they talked it out? Well she hates you less than me so… Otherwise Jamie was already in L.A. I don’t know.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

Steel. Does your cross-proof valid enough to believe that Kevin had still had custody once Britney was released?

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It sounds to me that Brit MAY have lost custody (temporarily?) while she was to spend time in Crossroads (or the first trip to Promises). Theoretically, she was probably supposed to stay in Antigua for 30 days, but checked herself out after only one day

This legal stuff is boring, but very important. It’s something we should nail down. (If only to give us an understanding about how the system works.)

…But it DOES look like K-Fed still had custody once she was released from Promises in March.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

…she recognizes him as the anonymous caller…told him that he was wrong his conspiracy theory and drugs being planted…

“”…he proteste: “There were drugs; you just didn’t find them,” he said, earnestly.””

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I really do need to get a copy of this book. The wording is very important.

It sounds to me…and this is just a theory…That Samuel called up Kalie to inquire when the best time would be to plant the drugs. He may then have succeeded in planted the drugs. (Note that he would have needed a way to get into her house to plant them. A friend who would let him in? Alli?)

So…If it’s true that they were planted, but not found…Would they not still be there upon Brit’s release from rehab??

Regardless of what happened, it’s all starting to become clearer in my mind about the order that events took place, and the roles different people played.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

Ma took two routes.

Health care professional, “Well sometimes people need help and they don’t know it.”

As to behavior between November and January?

Understandable including the umbrella and rage. Even the panties didn’t seem like such a big deal (huh?). “Oh she probably just forgot.”

‘But Mom it happened a couple of times.’

“Oh who cares, have you seen the underwear these days? They are practically nothing.”

lol

p.s. Until the past 48 hrs. I thought that Britney had a whim to see her kids “right now.” I didn’t know Kevin already had them.

And police standing guard on K-Fed’s property? Good gravy. How insulting. How hurting to to Britney. I mean really what did they think she was capable of?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

p.s. Until the past 48 hrs. I thought that Britney had a whim to see her kids “right now.” I didn’t know Kevin already had them.

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It would be interesting to know when K-Fed “took” them from her (e.g. before Crossroads?) and when she finally got them to herself again (March??)

It’s also interesting that while she was not allowed in to see them, her parents were. Burn!

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

Steel you are very good along with MT on seeing things or creating theories — most of which are plausible and sometimes way out there but who knows.

When did we first get news of Antigua? Before, during, or after she went? Very plausible theory that that’s when she lost custody.

God bless the Aussies. Here is another excerpt from the book and I didn’t have to type it. It’s word for word with some sentences omitted. lol the editor’s removed Lynne out of it, like this, “I felt so helpless, yearning…”

I think the Australian to edited did a great job:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24413960-5006016,00.html

What does she mean “within a month or so of meeting him…”

Ah but they shouldn’t have left this part out, after Sam had appointed himself Brit’s gatekeeper.

“While he shut Jamie out completely, he would crack open the door a bit for me, texting me with updates on my daughter, lording over me the fact that he had complete access while I had no right of entry to my own child. But he also seemed to sense the exact moment when I was most susceptible, and he would drop his voice to a soothing,kind of modulation–as if we were confidants. ‘I know you want to see Britney, and trust me, I am working on her. She’ll let you back into her life soon.” That man ****** me around like a puppeteer.”

I know I typed and posted this before. Pity I didn’t throw the whole chapter into Word.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

ok — Lynne wouldn’t have known what was going on in her daughter’s life outside the tabloids until Sam started texting Lynne in October. Correct?

But he was in her life presumably by February …

Remember he texted that guy connected to Haines and said he’d been there nine months? Or had been putting up with Britney nine months?

Now the kids are out of the house, time to move to the next step of the plan, which may or may not have anything to do with WEG moving in when Britney lost custody of her children.

Did crazy behavior in Britney begin or escalate in October or November as well?

Please remind me of the date Jamie Lynne and Lynne came to visit?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

p.s. Didn’t we document for sure that Sam was in her life and visible in May 2007? Remember Alli, Elliot Mintz, and Sam at Paris’s beach party. Paris worked extremely hard to attract the camera’s to her doorstep by waving and doing a **** dance to at least one pap who was already there.

ok. Nine months. End of March? And didn’t Lynne also say, outside of her Declaration, that he had been in her life for a year? I am confusing myself and don’t want anyone to latch onto a mis-truth just because it’s sometimes not all clear in my head.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

ok. Nine months. End of March? And didn’t Lynne also say, outside of her Declaration, that he had been in her life for a year? I am confusing myself and don’t want anyone to latch onto a mis-truth just because it’s sometimes not all clear in my head.

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I’m getting the impression that he had been “in the family” (via Lynn!) for a year (Feb 2007 to Feb 2008), and had been with B for nine months (release from rehab to time of text to Danny H.)

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

Didn’t we document for sure that Sam was in her life and visible in May 2007? Remember Alli, Elliot Mintz, and Sam at Paris’s beach party. Paris worked extremely hard to attract the camera’s to her doorstep by waving and doing a **** dance to at least one pap who was already there.

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I missed those photos…The first time I’d ever seen him was here:

http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britneys_new_man-06302007.php

Either way…Wasn’t it LYNN who brought him “into the family,” not B?

When did the shoe endorsements and jewelry deal come along? The “Dancing With The Stars?” While B was in rehab? After her release?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

This is off topic or on. Ama found this one long ago but now it is more suspect in thinking of that day on the beach with Alli, Sam, Paris, and Elliot Mintz. (Ama you are or were the Mintz expert)

http://www.timessquaregossip.com/2008/04/mintz-and-kaplan-with-britney-spears.html

Ama posted May 18, 2008

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

Nevermind. I forgot for a sec that Mintz works for Kaplan. And so it goes round and round but STILL…Alli, Sam, Paris so obliging, Mintz… can’t find the darn video now.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

In terms of timelines:

The “Dancing with the Stars” finale was on May 23, 2007:

http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/05/23/dancing-with-the-stars-season-finale/

The article says it ran for 10 weeks. That takes us back to March 14, 2007.

So…

Some time between March 14, 2007 and May 23, 2007, Lynn and Sammy were in contact.

(Note that B was released from rehab on March 20th, and her “rant” to X was on April 16, 2007.)

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Does a tiger change his stripes? Elliot Mintz was around in the beginning when Paris was still involved.

http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britneys_eclectic_style_a_forensic_analysis-11222006.php#comments

Ignore comments just page up to photos.

Kaplan fires Michael Sands and hires Elliot Mintz. Why? Is he so capable? Or does he know more about the inside … since he has “partied” with the girls and with Sam and Alli … and …

Steel. I mean this in the most positive complimentary of ways, but you have the more shrewd mind or willingness to see things of us two. What do you see now that you may not have seen before? What does Mintz have outside of PR and mag connections?

Would it be hurtful to Brit to have once BFF’s PR guy? Everyone against her. But the c-ship was already done by then, or Mintz was hired the day of the c-ship.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

p.s. It was Mintz who told Paris she could drive. Is Paris a pond in all of this? What price success and independence from her own parents?

Just putting it out there.

Mark. Sorry we are still in the past but it’s sort of like genealogy - you have to take two steps back to take one step forward.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

What do you see now that you may not have seen before? What does Mintz have outside of PR and mag connections?

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In terms of these two? To me, these two are just hired guns. Their jobs are the same - to spin the stories their “bosses” are giving them, and put those stories out into the media.

I’d be concentrating on the bosses, and how those bosses are working the legal system.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

Mark. Sorry we are still in the past but it’s sort of like genealogy - you have to take two steps back to take one step forward.

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Or…you have to understand chapters 1,2 and 3 in order for the lastest chapters in the story to make sense.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Kaplan fires Michael Sands and hires Elliot Mintz. Why? Is he so capable? Or does he know more about the inside … since he has “partied” with the girls and with Sam and Alli … and …

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The fact that Kaplan needs a spinmaster at all SAYS SOMETHING about the way he represents his clients.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

P.S. The fact that J.S., “celebrity chef and personality,” needs a spinmaster, says something as well.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

Yes.

Meanwhile, Dancing with the Stars. Is it live? I tried finding before what the date of filming the finale week of Dancing with the Stars would have been.

And no. Lynne did NOT introduce Sam. She says unbeknownst to her, Alli met him in a club and introduced him to Britney.

The zirconium endorsement deal came “months later” but … but who knows what Lynne means by months later. And don’t forget that Sam wanted a picture with Lynne, “…and I can’t even remember if I consented. Now I know what he was up to all right.”

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

The zirconium deal came “months later” after the anonymous call about the drugs. Sorry for confusion.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pm Yes.

And no. Lynne did NOT introduce Sam. She says unbeknownst to her, Alli met him in a club and introduced him to Britney.

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I believe this. I didn’t think that Lynn introduced Sammy to B.

Just trying to make the point that he was Lynn’s acquaintence before he ever came into B’s life.

It sounds like she has talked with Sammy on three different occasions (shoe endorsements, ziconiums, DWTS), even meeting with him on more than one occasion?

WHY would she even talk with a man who she knew was involved in “drugs,” or anything of the sort?

Something’s not adding up.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

The zirconium endorsement deal came “months later” but … but who knows what Lynne means by months later. And don’t forget that Sam wanted a picture with Lynne, “…and I can’t even remember if I consented. Now I know what he was up to all right.”

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Does she elaborate on what she meant by, “Now I know what he was up to all right”?

What did she think he was up to?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

AM, To make a long story short…

We may never know what really happened there until someone comes forward (e.g. Lynn, Sammy, B) with more information.

There are some major details missing from this story…

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

Um of course Lynne doesn’t tell us what she knew he was up to all right. She talks and she doesn’t talk and she’s making a case for herself.

That’s my opinion.

I will be curious as to what Ian can provide us in his book — that he can not comment on right now. The only thing he has said was that Lynne didn’t get everything accurate.

As for any rights Britney may or may not have had as an “average citizen” while in Promises, one could make a call and find out. It’s not on my agenda this week — small was that you asking about that?

On the why Lynne kept talking to the guy? Join small and I on our little p.o. list against Lynne.

Remember Lynne thought God might have answered her prayers? Why yes. I would love to appear on TV and sell zirconium.

Here’s a big question for me. You don’t get a call from an anon person telling you the things that Sam did, and not tell anyone. Who did Lynne confide in? Did it help or hurt the situation?

If Britney was saying, “I don’t have an addiction like you think. I was just acting out, being young,” and someone calls about drugs?

Did Lynne go check because Britney was so fragile and didn’t need any more bad news or … did Lynne go and check because if anyone was planting drugs in the house it was her own daughter?

or…

Why didn’t Lynne raise a huge stink about some stranger having her CELL phone number (she was in her car, she “almost missed her exit”) and making this statement? Who did she tell? Who could she tell? Team Kaplan? “Well I think you should know that …”

girl was outnumbered

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

Lynne leaves out many details. Did she have keys to the Malibu house? Did she speed dial Alli?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

In the spirit of KLM and her “random questions” did Alli have her own ringtone?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Was it Devo’s “Whip it Good?” Just playing. It’s raining in Phoenix and dark.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

I don’t know, but the more I think about all this, the more I feel like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QooiSbL_06I

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

NICE!

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

Can you help me with this one? What was Britney doing that was really so crazy given the circumstances?

“It slowed her down a bit but…”

Was that the objective Lynne, to slow her down? Was it to keep her from ruining HER career?

What info did K-Fed provide to “win” Lynne over to betray her daughter? Maybe she always betrayed. I don’t know. There are women like that.

What did you think of Britney’s Atlanta performance? Seemed ripe for a ped****e but moreover she was so damn professional, not complaining about the work, but wondering maybe if she had to do it again. You see her pull herslef back up after the hair flip? One would have thought she’d be beaming after her performance, wanting to be loved, wanting to know she had pleased, or smacking with confidence.

It’s a weird video. Really weird to me.

Oh and Steel? grrr-reat. Now I have the song embedded in my head. My poor brain. Thanks for the VJ work.

Now what. Antigua again?

But back to what I was saying, how in just those few months do you force someone to take a break? It feels so wrong.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

Can you help me with this one? What was Britney doing that was really so crazy given the circumstances?

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MARK TWAIN Says:
December 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

‘Image is everything’.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

Perfect.

We knew that but how far to take it? All the way I guess. To an extreme at the risk of crushing someone’s spirit.

Unusual You unusual song.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

I think you posted this before. Happy Valentines Day if you didn’t.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/02/16/britney-checks-in-to-rehab-checks-out-a-day-later/

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

…not complaining about the work, but wondering maybe if she had to do it again. You see her pull herslef back up after the hair flip? One would have thought she’d be beaming after her performance…

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Sadly, it reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlWUEcFAJnk

Ick, I feel bad for even thinking it…

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

I think you posted this before. Happy Valentines Day if you didn’t.

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You have two small babies. You’re going through a divorce. It’s Valentine’s Day.

Guess what? You’re embarassing us. It’s time to ship you out of the country for a month, until the public forgets what you just did.

…That’s the impression I’m being left with. But maybe that’s just me. 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

The dog tucking it’s tail still does not have the look Britney has in that audition tape from Atlanta.

No one is clapping or telling her good job. Is she alone with the man?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

hmm. Embarrassing us? Or tarnishing the image we worked so hard to build and live off of and how lucky we are to be here and do you know how many girls would be grateful for your position?

Is Valentine’s Day the correct date you think?

If so, an additional cruelty especially if K-Fed slept with another woman or returned to Shar.

Britney knows what went on. Ain’t it funny that neither she nor Adnan can speak.

It’s cold outside but the lemons are ripening. It’s funny that winter is a time to harvest here. Some leaves have turned but the rest are green.

There’s hope.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

Nice timing Felicia.
http://www.jiyh.com/category/felicia-culotta/

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkZD7Hgf9hg&feature=related

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

Britney Clarifies: I’m Taking A Break From Being Told What To Do
MTV
January 4, 2005

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1495295/20050104/spears_britney.jhtml

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

Another tidbit to read again:

“Yet even the people who do know the real Britney don’t know her anymore. Her former manager Johnny Wright says, “I’m not pointing fingers, but I can’t believe that she woke up one morning and said, ‘I don’t want my family, or anyone else I knew, to be in touch with me anymore.’

“People say she needs to go to rehab. I think she just needs a friend—somebody not caught up in Hollywood, not looking for a paycheck. Somebody she trusts has to step up and break it down for her.”

When Wright worked with her, Britney had a personal assistant named Felicia Culotta. “She was her friend first, and she worked for peanuts. She had no other agenda than Britney’s well-being,” Wright says.

Recently he told her, “‘Felicia, you need to reach out to her.’”

Culotta’s answer was a measure of Britney’s isolation, and a sign of her peril. She said, “‘Johnny, they won’t let me in.’”

Source: Blender”

http://thestarblogger.com/2008/01/28/britney-spears-blender-magazine-cover-and-article-road-to-ruin.aspx

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

Apparently, the video for “Do Something” wasn’t aired in the US, but if I remember correctly it was #1 on Canadian stations for several weeks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxCQCENOtoM

Remember the performances she did at the House of Blues in the summer of 2007? It made me laugh - some of the clothes her and the dancers wore on stage appeared to come from “Do Something” video! LOL

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

…7:28 relates to the articles at 7:23, by the way.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

I just saw and read them. My. That was uplifting.

not I never read those before. When did she stop writing them?

Marriage was an escape? I feel stupid catching up with the basis for many people’s claims. The girl wanted out and now she’s back where she was before?

I hope the L.A. Time and others keep it up.

mw, I hate to keep hitting this one over the head but Felicia = MS = religion again. I kind of think some folk in America would start to freak out if they thought it was about something other than MONEY.

While I respect the religion of others within reason things would be easier in Britney’s case if God was not brought so much into it. She and her siblings left the church of their childhood or rather they left their parents’ church.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

p.s. I did think K-Fed was an escape but you provided cross-proof in a manner.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

Where to from here? If I was going to write a book I would catalog Kevin’s behavior. How many times did X and others catch him out spending money or out for the night when he had a newborn at home?

What did Britney really do that was so wrong or different than him by February? Pls don’t toss image back at me. Small. K-Fed and Lynne together as a pair p. me off. lol For some reason it is safest to say it to you.

Steel. I tried to find you some clips from Titanic (modern) so you and others would know why I reference it. Suffice. Kate is trapped (but oh the dresses! loves)and sees her whole life playing about before her.

Her mother and her fiance wish very much for continued control over her and for her to stay tight and fit in.

Kate runs to the back of the ship and steps on to the back of it. “Jack,” an outsider of course (like Adnan and Oedipus Rex and so many others “heroes”) talks her down and becomes her interest.

Jack offers her a spontaneous and uncontrolled world. Kate’s mother predictably treats him like a bug, a “dangerous bug.”

Like Britney has surely been challenge, Kate is challenged at some point as to whether her new interest has stolen from her — her fiance is the one who has it set up to appear so.

This is a contemporary movie or story but I’m sure it’s a classic. Mark probably knows at least ten and could list the novels in literature.

It’s Britney ***** — oh that’s my phone! ringtone

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

Steel. Bishop takes Rook. Shall we go back, get present?

I’ll be gone for a week next weekend and the New Year heralds in fireworks. So some say.

Some others say two to three more months.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

Steel. Bishop takes Rook. Shall we go back, get present?

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Hop in…

You’re going to see some serious ****!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BytKSy8M4bk&feature=related

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

12/15/2008 D999 RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIM S (SIC) AND/OR ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT

aha. The letter D at last.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 12:25 am

lol doesn’t cut it Steel. Thank you.

Moving on - MT’s present, and our other present. WEG.

Again with 3rd party counterclaims. Who do we have?

Nothing has been publicly logged until today by D since May 14th. It can’t be that they did nothing and we only get what isn’t considered confidential.

Interesting that little sic. Ok, one third party counterclaim sic.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 12:32 am

11/25/2008 P999 MOTION TO DISMISS CROSS CLAIM PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIMS, AND ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT

Should read I think, Motion to Dismiss Cross Claim. Plaintiff’s motion to Dismiss Defendants’ Third Party Counterclaims, and Alternatively for a More Definite Statement.

v.

12/15/2008 D999 Response to Plaintiffs’ Motion to Dismiss Defendants’ Third Party Counterclaims and/or Alternatively for a more Definite Statement.

dry, boring

small hands Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 3:42 am

It has been a busy day and frankly, I’m tired. I have skimmed through everything and I will read more this week. I am tired, sleepy, and cold. Good night 
Talk more tomorrow if I am not busy again.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 10:41 am

Mark, thank you for the story.

I’m looking at the board. I’m wondering about the bishop and the king. I wonder if I am a sophisticated enough player.

Check. The Rook is open.

I hope.

Knights are tricky players and more obvious than Bishops at times. Perhaps that was a mistake in strategy last match. The Rook saw and dealt with it.

I am liking this Bishop. ’tis.

Steel. Image is everything.

As an aside, unrelated, what’s with Britney ‘posing’ with Brett these days?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 11:35 am

12/15/2008 D999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF NOTICE OF FILING
12/15/2008 D999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF NOTICE OF FILING
12/15/2008 P999 EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION FOR LEAVE TO AMEND THE CASE MANAGEME NT ORDER
12/15/2008 D999 NOTICE OF FILING DOCUMENTS IN OPPOSITION TO PLAINTIFFS’ SECOND MOTION TO COMPE L COMPLETE ANSWERS TO PLAINTIFFS’ FIRST SET OF INTERROGATORIES AND FIRST REQUES T TO PRODUCE
12/15/2008 P999 NOTICE OF FILING PLAINTIFFS’ FOURTH AMENDED CASE MANAGEMENT REPORT
12/15/2008 P999 PROPOSED ORDER AMENDED CASE MANAGEMENT ORDER
12/15/2008 P999 PROPOSED ORDER PLAINTIFFS’ SECOND MOTION TO COMPEL
12/15/2008 P999 PROPOSED ORDER PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION FOR LEAVE TO AMEND TO FILE FIRST AMENDED COM PLAINT
12/15/2008 D999 RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIM S (SIC) AND/OR ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

12/15/2008 D999 RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIM S (SIC) AND/OR ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT

aha. The letter D at last.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Have we determined who the “Third Party” is??

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

Steel. First mention of post-partum or bi-polar?

http://www.tmz.com/2007/02/27/britneys-post-partum-struggle/

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Ha Steel — I was missing you like the desert needs the rain. Not a bad song. No we don’t know who the Third Party is but I’ll look back for the first time it was mentioned.

I show an additional lawyer for Defense, William B. Wilson, also of Holland & Knight.

mw, for the timeline — the mystery calls to CPS.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/02/21/child-services-hotline-blows-up-with-britney-calls/

I don’t think a group of haters could organize well enough to do that but who knows.

Mission:

o Intro to Paris, instant social life and party association
o Get Britney to rehab
o Remove children
o Get money

Let’s say there was a tipster to K-Fed’s camp including Ma and Pa Spears. Between the media and this third party source, who will say or has proof of Britney doing drugs…

There has to be more explanation on why that camp could and would take the children — but no one tells Britney who told them about the drugs or whatever. That would have made me pretty mad. I might have inferred that my ex and family were believing the media outlets versus me.

If Lynne doesn’t tell anyone more than Jackie about sneaky Sam …Is it the first time they found drugs in Britney’s place? Or is it easier to believe the anon caller because it’s happened before.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

First mention of post-partum or bi-polar?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Interesting. This comes a full year before Ma’s declaration and Samuel’s statement to the press.

Just a side note…The declaration named four different medications. R and S are known to be used for Bi-Polar and Post Partem Psychosis. A is used for the treatment of ADHD. And then we had a sleeping aid; we saw her fill this prescription with Brett in October 2007.

Something else interesting…The declaration didn’t specify which medications were being crushed.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

Do you know what drug was showing in Britney’s purse? She was seated in the car. They were samples therefore not traceable to a pharmacy.

btb, Paris Hilton takes Adderol for Attn Deficit Disorder. She said so on CNN after she did her jail time.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 10:41 am

As an aside, unrelated, what’s with Britney ‘posing’ with Brett these days?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Almost as if Brett’s a “fan” who wants a picture. LOL

Between that and flippin’ the bird…I do believe the Queen B is growing tired of it all??

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

Do you know what drug was showing in Britney’s purse? She was seated in the car. They were samples therefore not traceable to a pharmacy.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It was Adderal. I remember it, because I was shocked that X would post photos of that nature. It seemed like an extreme invasion of privacy.

I’ll try and dig up a link, even just to find a date.

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 8:41 pm Where to from here? If I was going to write a book I would catalog Kevin’s behavior. How many times did X and others catch him out spending money or out for the night when he had a newborn at home?
What did Britney really do that was so wrong or different than him by February? Pls don’t toss image back at me. Small. K-Fed and Lynne together as a pair p. me off. lol For some reason it is safest to say it to you. …
….

AM,
I don’t understand all in your english,but one thing I have managed to see a pattern of, is that Steel_ never answer when one directly ask her about “bad” things who x17 could have been near or involved in.
I have asked Stee_ myself before about this strange pattern, (dont ask me about what date or tread, but I have aske about it) and I have never get any answer.
Its like Steel not see this questions 

Anayway, its strange.. No reaction when x17 is involved, no opinons personal opinons from Steel_

The last time it happend for me was when I put this pics on this tread, when I joke about paparazzi Sam, taking pick of Britney and x17 Felipe.
The reaction from Steel was to turn it into a Kaplan /Sam joke.

Not a word about x17.

Anyway, to many times make a pattern 

You see, I belive that Sam worked with/for x17, even if they say he dont.

I cant understand that they even bother to deneid it.
Oh..yes..what/how much do they paid him?
Or was he so vain that he did this for free?

x17 have the key, to what part Sam Lutfi real have, in Britneys Spears breakdown.

x17 have the key.

x17 have the key.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

Ama, Instead of talking about me to AM, why don’t you ask me a question directly so that I can answer it?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

AM, I was lying. It wasn’t Adderal. But it was a medication used to treat ADHD, which is what I remembered:

http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_xclusive_britney_arrives_at_the_beverly_hills_hotel_for_parenting_classes-10242007.php

Disclaimer: Don’t click on the link if you don’t want to feel dirty!

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

You see, I belive that Sam worked with/for x17, even if they say he dont.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I also believe this to be true. I thought EVERYBODY thought that.

MH Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

Save your breath Steel, it’s pointless.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

The last time it happend for me was when I put this pics on this tread, when I joke about paparazzi Sam, taking pick of Britney and x17 Felipe.

The reaction from Steel was to turn it into a Kaplan /Sam joke.

Not a word about x17.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I didn’t turn it into a joke. I asked an honest question.

Is it not possible that Sammy had been hired as a private investigator/informant, with a dual role? Could he have been being paid to purposely make B look bad? Is it possible that he had worked for “the gymnast” the entire time, using X as a way to document everything and put it out in the media so that B would purposely loose her custody case?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

MH…

Always the voice of reason. LOL

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

Steel. If you thought that was an invasion of privacy I wonder what you thought about X17’s coverage on “She’s not pregnant.” That was appalling.

Ama - I am running through X17 archives on this fine rainy day. I was going through TMZ’s but I must not have been doing it right. On my first run I saw nothing for November 2006, December 2006, January 2007

I had not noticed a pattern …

I am loathe to be in another war.

We have had a couple of productive days, and for myself, new findings to understand the first chapters of the book as Steel put it.

I’d rather play chess and without Steel I’d be playing alot more often on my own. We balance each other in my humble opinion. She’s more shrewd than I but that doesn’t mean I don’t question her.

I readily admit I am more apt to start getting angry when it comes to protecting Britney. I watched it in the flow of this thread, my responses and reactions, and to try and temper it with less filtering and more objectivity.

I still feel protective over Britney though — just less likely to lash out if I think Steel is trying to hurt her or put alot of blame on her.

Surely we have all seen in the past few days what was triggering Britney in February and more of who was doing it. Parachini for example, with Steel’s help I could see more of the picture because without her I was going after things in the courthouse.

lol. Please don’t mess with my playmate. A match of chess takes two.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRFhU2lACJI

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

Steel. If you thought that was an invasion of privacy I wonder what you thought about X17’s coverage on “She’s not pregnant.” That was appalling.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

See:

Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

AM, Do you get what I’m saying now about Suppository Sam having a story to tell?

I always got the feeling he fit into a larger picture.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

AM, You said there was a thread where you discussed this stuff with MT. Can you by any chance provide me with a link? It might help me get on the same page as the rest of you…

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:09 pm Ama, Instead of talking about me to AM, why don’t you ask me a question directly so that I can answer it?”

****************
Answer:
“Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

“……but one thing I have managed to see a pattern of, is that Steel_ never answer when one directly ask her about “bad” things who x17 could have been near or involved in…..”
I have asked Stee_ myself before about this strange pattern, (dont ask me about what date or tread, but I have aske about it) and I have never get any answer.
Its like Steel not see this questions.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It seems like the tax authority in every country are the only ones who can get the truth in light, and also the only authority who EVERYONE is scared of get attention of. 

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

See:

Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

AND

Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What is the ultimate goal here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJYoV8Kq6Vo

Quite effective.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

Sorry — I went out for awhile. If I could remember where exactly MT and I had discussed it I probably would have quoted him. I do so like his words.

Steel. I had an intriguing but embarrassingly slow thought. I got to thinking about different professions, databases, contact info you can buy and all that stuff.

Wouldn’t someone in PR or the media, like Sands, have access not just to Harvey’s people, but Barbara’s people or a database or rollodex. Would that index also include phone numbers to “celebrities” or those associated with them?

I’ve been asking for awhile how does a person like Sam even get the number for Harvey, Lynne etc.? I kept trying to visualize some Rollodex or list of numbers in Britney’s phone but that didn’t make sense, not in any fashion.

But someone like Sands would. Yes? And he probably would have legitimately had access at some point… I’d have to call someone in the industry as cross-proof or just to understand how that side of it works. Aren’t these media people always saying, “Did not return calls by printing of this article?”

How does Sam get Kahlie’s phone number? Fed-X has it, Kaplan has it, now Sands has it …

Do you like my thinking? The how-it-works-in- Hollywood is one I might like to prove with a few phones. I wouldn’t have to waste anyone’s time since I legitimately have something of a project right now.

***

I listen to MH for a reason(s).

***

I’ll page back up to whatever it was I said MT was talking about. I already tried but wanted to post my theory. I’m with Britney. I love driving in my car — it’s a great place for thinking more free.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

Did Lynne say, “How did you get this phone number?” If Sam went on to describe a conspiracy theory then she likely had time to ask, no demand.

Odd.

“Immediately I call the security guards at the Malibu house and asked them to check for drugs.”

k so Alli and Lynne weren’t the only ones who might have found the drugs.

“While I knew Kevin would never hurt my daughter like that, and I highly doubted her assistants would either, things were so fragile with Britney at the time that I wasn’t taking any chances.”

What does that mean? I doubt if Kevin would do it or her assistants but what if he or they had? What made her waver?

What credibility might Sam have offered as an anonymous caller for Lynne to act … Lynne. It’s too intriguing of a detail. What did Anon say to you about how he got your number?

Thoughts anyone?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

Also, when he calls back the second time, why don’t you ask, “Well if that’s who are then why the big mystery a few months back?”

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

Steel_ ?  I did not meant to hurt so bad 

I just think its very shady everywher.
And now I have looked if there was any links to rhis Pelligrino man and peopel around Britney
found this..
Will take time to read
Take it in part comments so it not be so long.

“Sands about Pellicano

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/17/entertainment/main583974.shtml
“He also boasted of digging into the past of his clients’ enemies.

“So they gotta take the same heat that they dish out,” he once said.

Hollywood publicist Michael Sands said he suspected Pellicano of tapping his phones in 1990 when he was investigating one of Sands’ celebrity clients. Sands acknowledged he could never prove it.

“Anthony Pellicano was one of the detectives all the lawyers in Hollywood liked and they gave him their business,” Sands said.
“They wanted his old-style muscle. There wasn’t much of that around anymore.”

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

Sands, Wasser (dad to guess who  ), and more..
Archive for Saturday, March 18, 2006
DIVORCE
By Rachel Abramowitz And Robert W. Welkos
March 18, 2006 in print edition E-1

WHEN Hollywood publicist Michael Sands tried to hire celebrity divorce lawyer Dennis Wasser in a child custody case, he got a stern brushoff from the silver-haired, opera-loving attorney, best known for handling the breakups of such Hollywood luminaries as Tom Cruise, Steven Spielberg and J. Lo.

“You don’t need an army to destroy an ant,” Sands recalled Wasser telling him.

Now this urbane family law specialist may find himself in the uncomfortable position of having to marshal his own legal army, as he’s become a “person of interest” in the ongoing federal investigation of Hollywood private eye Anthony Pellicano…

..

….
Wasser along with…..said the world of high -stakes divorce is one in which well-heeled clients expect results when they come knocking.
“We are not mediators,” he said. “The phrase is, ‘we’re meat eaters.’ If you treat us nice, we treat you nice. If you don’t, it’s a whole different ballgame.”

In a 2004 interview with an English newspaper, Wasser himself professed chagrin at some of the nasty behavior he has seen in divorce court.

“My patience gets tested all the time by some of the behavior I come across,” said Wasser. “How do I deal with it? By taking deep breaths.”

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/18/entertainment/et-wasser18

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

2/1/07

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-02-01-britney-spears_x.htm

One wonders what happened between the 1st and Valentine’s Day.

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

21 Mars 2008
Ask John Nazarian from Being one of Hollywood P.I. Extraordinaire - What was it like to??

http://www.rosespeaks.com/rose-blog/category/britney-spears/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My God, they are all linked together..as a cluster.

Hope you can exuse me, on this site, when I´m not have ability to understand all connections and history and environment in this LA, Miami, Bahamas, Florida world  .

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

They are notty against K-Fed in the comming Star edition:

http://www.cele*****y.com/26687/kevin_federline_partying_with_w**d_and_*******s/

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

Steel_ ? I did not meant to hurt so bad

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It didn’t hurt, Ama. It just feels like we’re spinning round in circles sometimes.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

“Immediately I call the security guards at the Malibu house and asked them to check for drugs.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Did the security include Fat Tony?

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

Yes, they are notty against Britney too.
What about that, Spears and Federline spokesmans?

Get your act together soon 

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

Wonder who wants Fat Tony as security/bodyguards this days?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

AM, I’m out for the night, but if we want to bring ourselves up to the future, we may want to figure out…

1/ Third party…Tri-S?
2/ Tour? AEG, Insurance, C-Ship, deals.
3/ Lawrence. He just keeps coming back, and coming back. What’s the deal?

Bye for now.

P.S. Yes. Listening. For a reason.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

Ama. I will catch up with your news in a moment. I am hunting down January 5, 2007 when joint temporary custody was officially determined as per the Washington Post. They were already calling her a trainwreck Jan. 6, 2007 and probably before.

p.s. with the frequency of some of us posting it’s become polite as to schedule. Thx Steel.

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

AM
Yes AM, you are right 
I understand Steel_ and you work on something special.

For me it look like it not any amateurs questions anymore.
More like someone work on something, and taking help from others who are kind enough to do the work for them.
But thats how I, dont understand english see it 

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

AM
I understand I am no help in this investigation, and I smiling,. Think Steels hair turning grey becasue of me?

Better Steel_, and you, do the serious work.

I am, as I sad well aware of that I´m in no use, in this case 

So go on girls.. 

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

Earlier then so, AM

“Celebrity News From Around The Web.
Found this 10/2/2007 on darkhat blogspot dot com

After years of destroying the lives of everyone around her, Britney has finally lost custody of her children. The source confirms: Britney Spears must hand over custody of her sons to Kevin Federline this week “until further order of the court,” a …
http://showhype.com/story/britney_lost_custody_of_her_kids/

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

I still haven’t caught up.

mw, is this where it began?

http://www.starmagazine.com/news/11011

Is the “inside source” Michael Sands?

I’ve been going through January X17 and I am seeing good or average behavior but I am working backwards through the month.

Doe anyone really know what Britney took the New Year’s Eve? Who hasn’t fallen asleep or had a little too much? How could Kevin possibly know was Britney consumed?

Sands would know how to make up a story.

So Lynne and K-Fed were aligned by Jan. 24, 2007? It is the Star magazine but who knows. I would love to have seen a hard copy of what Mama Spears was doing about Britney’s “partying ways” as mentioned in the article.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

X17’s take on Jan 24, 2007

“She just separated from her husband; she’s having fun at night; and I just don’t see Britney as the type to be hooked on drugs or alcohol.”

http://x17online.com/celebrities/2007/01/index.php?page=4

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

I am not finding anything remarkable Britney did in the entire month of January outside of falling asleep, whatever you call it, on New Year’s Eve.

I did come across my notes on what TMZ called the dumbest press release ever. 12-6-06

I didn’t notice before a “credit” to Aaron Cohen, the guy who later served Alli and company, and hung around with Sands, Kaplan, etc. during the period of time when I think Rolling Stones did the interview that included Claus.

What was Aaron’s role so early in “security?” To deliver a Press Release? Strange company.

I am guessing Aaron came along with Sands.

http://www.tmz.com/2006/12/06/k-fed-and-the-dumbest-press-release-ever/

Let me get this straight. Nothing happened between New Years… and X doesn’t have a thing about Brit allegedly passing out until a few days later. Wonder who reported it first.

Something is not right here. Doh!

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

Back to TMZ’s article on the dumbest release.

Photos available from Bauer Griffin. Of whom, Kevin and Kaplan?

I wish Navarre might have said when she began to receive Texts from Sam. Has she?

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

AM 
When I put in this comment ->
Amapola Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Archive for Saturday, March 18, 2006
DIVORCE

…and read what Wasser had said to Sands about Sands divorce, I was thinking of what Sand himself have said on a video..

Sands wife was (?) bi-polar, his son has ADD, and he himself have a petite now and then ADD?
Sand was, after the divorce, placed as legal guardian of the son they have common?
Was he not saing that on that video when he talked A LOT 

Then my thought again goes to whats really matter in Britney Spears/K Federlinde “case”
The money.
Money.
To get more money from Britney.

Because it was so easy to divorce from a person who was told to be mental “unstable”  ,
Wasser:
““You don’t need an army to destroy an ant,” Sands recalled Wasser telling him.

Britney is a whelty ant, I suppose. 

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 7:52 pm Back to TMZ’s article on the dumbest release.
Photos available from Bauer Griffin. Of whom, Kevin and Kaplan?
I wish Navarre might have said when she began to receive Texts from Sam. Has she?”

I would be very suprised if she had. She is so ashamed of the nature of the way, she and her husband, earning their money, so she asked the reporter not to tell where they was living, because their neighbours, among the villas around them, don’t know their true “sustentation”

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

No specific date:

“Brandy believes that she was the first one to talk to Sam Lutfi, Britney Spears’ opportunistic boyfriend. “He was emailing me at first anonymously,” says Brandy, “He gave me this huge interview — Hi, I’m Britney Spears’ friend and I know why she shave her head — and he never asked for money, to this day. Though he implied that he wanted good coverage. We were happy to do it! We were getting these amazing exclusives… (Other) magazines were offering him a lot of money, but he came to us. I don’t know why.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dipayan-gupta/youre-asking-for-it-cha_b_93741.html

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

Confusing. TMZ’s own Harvey Levin said on the Ryan Seacrest show that Britney was not in Promises for alchohol but for post-partum depression.

Meanwhile X17 said when they saw her she was going to an AA meeting.

Britney Suffering From Pospartum Depression
27 Feb 2007, by Jordan Miller

A source close to Federline told E! Online that he had shared his belief with friends that Spears changed dramatically after she became a mother. “He feels like Britney never was the same after she had their kids,” the source said. “Even after the first baby, she had wild mood swings and her temper would go off at the drop of a hat.” “It got worse after her second pregnancy. Kevin didn’t want another baby so soon, not because he didn’t want more kids, but because her temper was so unstable when she was pregnant,” the source continued. “After she came home from the hospital the second time, she just seemed really unhappy all of the time. He said, ‘Nothing made her happy anymore. She was just angry or sad all the time.’”

Experts have said that Spears’ recent spate of erratic behavior could have been motivated by postpartum depression, which can set in anytime during the first year after birth and affects up to 80 percent of new mothers.

Credit: Eonline

I read all of the latter hearing Sands and the beginning of the set up of not someone who had a drug or alcohol problem but a mental problem.

Note the Lynne never gives this information, just reps for K-Fed.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

I’m outta here again…I’m on the slooooowest connection in the world right now.

Now THAT will turn your hair gray! 

LOL

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

2-16-07 Britney comes through the LAX airport and shaves her head hours later when she K-Fed won’t let her see her kid.

long day

Mark. Are you sure those fireworks haven’t begun? Star is going after K-Fed 12/22 in hard copy print.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

Ama. I remember that one. Wouldn’t you love to know how the divorce cases ended for both Kaplan and for Sands, and their wives?

Steel. There is another article in Blender or Rolling Stone where Navarre says she began to receive text messages from him.

I remember because I wanted to know how a guy like Sam gets the cell phone of someone like Navarre.

Still no opinion from either of you as to Sands providing Sam with phone numbers, contact info.

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

One thing I have notice about Britney, and she talk about it herself:
“I use to be one of thouse cool chic” (I dont know if I heard right)

I think she get so overwolmed when she felt how strong her love was for her kids, that she now is scare to do, or say, anything at all, who can hurt her reconnection with them.

She almost tremblor with the thougt of loosing them (as I “see” it)
And because of that, she can look unsecure.

I do hope that responsible people in court (if there going to be them who decided) do understand what has happend to her.

Thats a horrible treatment they (and now I talking about some private persons with lawyers)holding over her.

Her worst nightmare can come trough. She live in constant threat. They holding her in an unsecure statment.
Are they going to take my kids from me?

What shall one call that treatment?

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

AM
What I understand is, Sands would do everything that will make Kaplan in fovour.
The one who pay Sands bill, is the one he do all the footwork for, (and with tumbs too :mrgreen:)

Sands can the name of the game.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

Ama. I hope I wasn’t too abrupt. I haven’t ever liked Sands. Call me anti-Sands. But thanks for reminding us about Sand’s wife or rather what he said about her.

He could have saved himself the extra clearings of his throat and said, “All women are crazy. All need to be on drugs. All men have restraining orders, what’s the big deal?”

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 9:09 pm”
Sands said in the video that he have the kid, and he let the kid be with his mother (visit her?). Think its not a very young kid.
“Of cource, he said. He have to be with her mother, visit her”

I have never heard about any divorce for Kaplan.
I in some way thought he never have been married.
Why, I dont know.

This long-legged girls that Kaplan and also Mitnz showing up for Hollywood tv, I also thought it was a part of the show. 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

Ama. Yes darling. Kaplan is divorced. His wife was an attorney. I posted this somewhere on this board but not with any emphasis.

I don’t think his wife even practices the law anymore. She moved back 3,000 miles away and is a professor I believe at Harvard or some place.

My notes are somewhere.

I have to scratch my head but it didn’t seem like a marriage that lasted long.

And he WAS a gymnast! I don’t care so much about him being a gymnast but being a team but individual competitor. He was a gymnast in his undergrad and got a monetary scholarship.

He was also a frat rat of a sort. I had nothing useful to do with the information so I gave it away with zero regret.

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:29 pm

AM
If I was Sands, would I don’t felt some kind of “used for the dirty work”, and then public thrown away ?… He was brave and said that he had no hard feelings and this work he have done for Kaplan, was not really his “liking”. He was not really in the media????
Was it not that he said?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

I am not faulting athletes but there again is another subculture.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

Ama. Cool chic can also be someone who was relaxed and cool with things. So I think you got that right.

I talked to a professional earlier today. That treating Britney like a child will produce childlike behavior. Everyone being in the know, like in the car in Mexico? Brit knowing nothing? Not mentally healthful.

I hope the fireworks may be more grand than any “Throw it back!” call at a Cubby game. (chicago cubs Ama)

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

AM
“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 9:28 pm Ama. Yes darling. Kaplan is divorced. His wife was an attorney. I posted this somewhere on this board but not with any emphasis. ”

I do remeber AM
And I also rember that in the way I saw him now, I could se the former slender young boy, but now as a person who smoke cigar (his lip have get that form) and that he have the little toutch of liking whisky (or brandy) also. It get to the look in a certain point.
But that’s legal stuff.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Ama. I don’t believe anything Sands says. Ever look into his background?

The way he handled his client’s disappearance (murder) was nuts. Google it. Sands, damn, disappearance and then find what the client’s wife said.

She never thanks Sands, ever. Heck just start at Sands’ website — find his brag list.

I said it months ago this is not the first time this guy has been caught in something foul.

And he blatantly says he has had restraining orders against him and what’s the big deal?

In that video you posted and I came across more than once, he seems to be on drugs.

He lied to us about feeling bad about his work for Kaplan. His first press release alone shows how far down he had come from yakking on CNN and other programs as an expert. Kaplan got who he could afford …

So where does Aaron Cohen fit into it if this was the model?

Kaplan got someone who would do the dirty work…

Who supplied Sam with phone numbers?

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

Think I have to say goodnight here AM.
Almost early morning 17.
Must sleep.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

Yes Ama and lol at the lip with the certain form.

He is living the high life. He doesn’t fret about dinner reservations anymore. He affords Elliot Mintz.

But how does that work? Does he embed Elliot’s fees into his own fees and charge Britney Spears? Or does he separate them out at tax time as a “cost of doing business?”

No one has told us yet but I bet he never dated the prom queen but that he had had those aspirations.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:54 pm

Good night Ama.

Amapola Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 9:55 pm

AM, I dont think he was on drugs.
I think he get a hypomanic now and then, and that is not anything I find peculier.
Have some artis friends (and some nerds too) who get into that state of mind when they get exalted, or inspired. He have not a “usual” personality.

And that I think he have right to be, the only thing he dont have right to do, is harm other people.
But what do yuou mean that he not work for Kaplan? Of course its Kaplan who said to Kevin to hired Sands.
OK. K-Fed paid him, but Sands did not do anything that Kaplan not did affirmed.
Or do you think Sands had free “hands”?
Its a fine line between all this “gentleman” in personality.
What secern them, is discipline and education.
No more.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

p.s. Whiskey and cigars are an image of adult men who may afford it, not just legal boys.

Three attorneys in my family. None of them smoke cigars or drink whiskey for show.

One makes homemade ravioli. That’s his thing making Italian food with new spins, apart from Mom. The nerve. He’s the judge.

Another rarely drinks ever. Health clubs and endurance running are his thing. He would never smoke anything without a return, e.g. ganga and that too would be rare. He is the Jewish member of our family and we adore him. I have since I was 11.

The other is gaining weight. He has kids. I’ve never known him to smoke anything. He does like a drink but he’s so stressed out so if he does it, its vacation time.

Kaplan is more calculated and image conscious but that’s Hollywood. He could have had dinner anywhere with Elliot or a slim woman but he didn’t.

But that’s business in Hollywood, not just ego. Attorney work = much socialization these days and hustling for business. Lunches, dinners, etc.

I wonder how grand Kaplan felt though walking in with Paris’s wingman, Elliot. Had he ascended? Dated the prom queen at last to his mind or at least burned her?

Mark Twain is not like that.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

Did I make a typo? oc Kaplan hired Sands. I am saying that Sand’s reasons for leaving, are faulty.

Or was he covering for Kaplan firing him?

He got fired.

I do think he was on drugs in the that video. Very unprofessional. What did he have to feel happy about?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

10/23/2008 P999 AGREED MOTION FOR EXTENSION OF TIME FOR PLAINTIFFS’ RESPONSE TO DEFENDANTS’ MOT ION FOR LEAVE TO FILE AMENDED AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES TO THE COMPLAINT AND FOR LEA VE TO FILE A COUNTERCLAIM AND THIRD PARTY COMPLAINT

Read it as you will. Did the Defense file a counterclaim and third party complaint? Apparently so.

12/15/2008 D999 RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION TO DISMISS DEFENDANTS’ THIRD PARTY COUNTERCLAIM S (SIC) AND/OR ALTERNATIVELY FOR A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT

Read it as you will. I read it as Defense went after a third party and wanted time. It’s seems Plaintiff does not want this third party involved.

We didn’t do it they did? You English is as good as mine. How do youread it?

Throughout it seems Plaintiff hungers for the Final Judgment allowed 2/14. So who is hiding what?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 16th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

Pin it on a third party and what happens? Award for plaintiff is fair and square I might imagine and not a penny more, i.e., Wright pays his attorneys fees, not Britney.

In April they tried to pin it on her by showing her not showing up in L.A. court for cases unrelated to Wright, and by showing her in that little fender bender in the parking lot.

Remember I was asking if they were trying to malign her character?

small hands Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 3:52 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
2/1/07
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-02-01-britney-spears_x.htm
One wonders what happened between the 1st and Valentine’s Day.
———————-
Britney’s aunt died I think.

small hands Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 3:52 am

Steel, I have always felt Sam was part of a bigger picture also.

small hands Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 4:02 am

Again busy day. Maybe tomorrow it won’t be so busy. Then Christmas and stuff. A lot to do.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

Reading, but have a busy day. Christmas shopping, etc.

AM, WEG suit…

It would be helpful to know how Tri-S fits into this. I’m still thinking on that one.

Also…

What was the former structure of WEG? Was Lawrence not a partner at one time? When did he officially leave?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

AM, Around the time that the C-Ship began, I remember checking and Lawrence listed himself as being B’s manager on his Web site.

SHE had fired him. The C-Ship appears to have immediately re-hired him.

She had signed fresh contracts with him around December 2007 (?) Then fired him in April 2007 (?) What happens THEN?

gigi Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

ok Time out. why is our site using all these archive photos? Why is Linda or whoever is writing not using current photos? What are they doing with the current photos?

Time In.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

There was a hearing yesterday so we should hear something in the next 24 to 48 hours. Then I am on a plane.

Small. Let’s say after Britney’s going out in December, then she agrees or is forced in to temporary joint-custody.

I did not see anything in the month of January in X’s files but I think the tabloids went amok with anything she did and labeled it “partying.”

There was that weekend in NYC when she took her kids with her. She tried out some dancers’ swimsuits and hung out with dancers. There was what looked like a little puke in the car one night. X pooh-poohed this because part of the substance was in a round circle.

Soooo… what could have forced Britney into rehab? In January she hung out with Larry Rudolph, and in Vegas with George Maloof, and was friendly (or was dating) with Isaac Cohen, a model. Paris meanwhile was arrested for driving under a suspended license.

Lindsay was in rehab or something.

That Star magazine article I posted seemed to be the beginning of the media campaign to label Britney as a drug user or alcoholic or whatever. What was the big to-do?

Your honor, it’s in all the papers that she’s been partying. She leaves the kids with the nanny (not what X said — I think X said she was not wearing scandalous clothes and was spending her days with her kids)

“So I have heard..”

Next she’s secretly off to Antigua where it’d be geographically difficult to see her kids in the next 30 days. Did Britney know the true basis or length of time for her trip to Antigua?

Did image outweigh the geographical distance from her kids as a consideration as to where to seek rehab?

Up until then, K-Fed had had to go to her house to spend time with the kids, three times a week, four hours each visit I think, during the day noon ’til 4 p.m.

He was also living in an apartment wasn’t he, while he sued for spousal support and sole custody?

gigi Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

Seems like I remember he got the kids full time while she was in promises but she got them back as soon as she was out. Then more erratic behavior happened after Sam came on the scene and then he tried to get them full time since she “couldn’t” take care of them.

gigi Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

During the erractic behavior is when she was video taped running the red light with them in the car then the judge said she could not drive with them in the car.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

gigi Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

Seems like I remember he got the kids full time while she was in promises but she got them back as soon as she was out. Then more erratic behavior happened after Sam came on the scene and then he tried to get them full time since she “couldn’t” take care of them.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You have a great way of simplifying things, Gigi!

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

Question…

Anyone know when Jamie became a “celebrity chef”?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

Yep. I don’t think the Geeg has time for details.

SM I did a cursory search on the chef business but moved on or back to the first time she lost custody by what appears to be a private arrangement under threat of making it more permanent.

gigi Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

nope no time for details. too many folks filing for bankruptcy to do anything but jump in and out here.

I do remember her getting them back after she went to promises and kfed had lots of visitation. I think at that point it was 50/50. I’ve always believed that in wanting the kids full time that Kaplan or someone close to him paid Sam to parade her around and other things to make it easier. Druging could have been part of that. With all the erratic behavior all they had to do was show the video and they had their case made especially if Sam drugged her so she could not come to court. As long as it was meds that she was suppose to be on it would not show up. If promises had her on Post-P meds and others then he just upped the dosage it would not show up and it looked like she was drugged, drunk or worse.

gigi Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

Whose to say how much she remembers from that entire year. Other than some of the very videos that we see on line she may not remember any of it or just parts of it.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

I don’t believe any confirmed the post-partum rumors started it seems by TMZ.

I wonder that TMZ asked themselves, “If she didn’t test positive for drugs, and she’s not there for alcohol, why is she there?”

I guess we’ll not learn anything more except to disbelieve or not believe so readily images of drug addict and alcoholism.

MH Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

It’s snowing in Vegas! Yaaay Merry Christmas!

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

GG — show me a single tape or image or proof of Britney being publicly drunk.

I saw one tape taken around Halloween in the French maid type of outfit — she stumbled slightly in her heels but that was all but the caption still read as “partying.”

She may have been a little lit like when she was with Paris… I don’t know. I would think on the date her mother came over and got the evidence for a RO against Sam, that Britney would have been drinking up. That was a long and topsy turvy day including the fight with Sam.

She won’t take wine from Sam but she does take a sip off of her mother’s glass.

Why did she do things like go swimming in the ocean in her bra and panties with was it Kahlie?

How about just a wildness of youth or liberation or not thinking it through for “someone in her position.” Other kids in their 20s don’t worry about it.

Thank god I have lived a little and tasted the freedom of breaking the rules or from convention apart from the life of everyday decorum. And then not to have to pay for it. It was fun and hurt no one and in short I could get away with it.

I mean what insanity for similarly aged kids (20s) to tie their own shoe laces together and throw their shoes up into trees, or across power lines, or even to nail them to their walls on campus. I wasn’t one of those participants but I loved the free spirit and animation. It was comical and not anything I could really understand as to someone’s original idea but maybe that’s why I loved it.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

wow — Merry Christmas MH!

Is it a record for Vegas? How many times has it snowed in the last ten years? I am so happy for you!

Go outside and run crazy eights. lol

Amapola Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

Amethyst Mine Says: December 16th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
.
..
..Mark Twain is not like that.”
”””””””””””””””””””””””””
??????? Now I dont understand anything, who have talk about Mark Twain?
************************************
“Amethyst Mine Says: December 16th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
p.s. Whiskey and cigars are an image of adult men who may afford it, not just legal boys.
Three attorneys in my family. None of them smoke cigars or drink whiskey for show. ”
”””””””””””””””””””

AM , I did not say he did it for show 
I said I think its his usual life. He look like that. Also know some persons, lawyer and others in positons of some power. They are for sure not living some “saint” life. They are people as we, with habbits as we also (maybe) have.

The image they have to show up is something else.

The show, as I point it out  , was the long-legged gilrs, and to “happend” to have dinner where Holllywood TV can ask him questions. 
***************************************
Amethyst Mine Says:December 16th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Pin it on a third party and what happens? Award for plaintiff is fair and square I might imagine and not a penny more, i.e., Wright pays his attorneys fees, not Britney.
In April they tried to pin it on her by showing her not showing up in L.A. court for cases unrelated to Wright, and by showing her in that little fender bender in the parking lot.
Remember I was asking if they were trying to malign her character?
*************************************************

And as I remember from the video, the paparazzi, IN CHORUS, INSURED her, after looking on the car, that it was no harm done on the other car.
**************************************************

Generally I must say that the paparazzi did the major job to take Britney Spears down. 

If you put a gun against my head  I would strongly deny it  ,
but as long as no one does that, I say:
The paprazzi done the major work in taking Britney Spears down.

One can say, that in the same time they make there living, they did free work for Kaplan, Sands, and Kevin Federline. 

Also, Sam Lutfi had special connections and treatment from some (ONE?) of the agency´s. That I also strongly believe.

Do remember how the connetions to x site was made ONE time, and I think its typical, (timescedual “after Sam”)

There was a scen in a documentary, where a bodygurad working for for the guy who owns the Ed Hardy mark, lending into a car, show his digital pics from Britney Spears baby birthday party, (he was there with his boss),
The paparazzi from x site said, sitting in his car:
- “Have Navarre (?) Brand (?) seen (heard about them?) them? ”
- Yes, he like it.
- Well then we will make something.
- I have a pic when Britneys sister pee behind a buch, this bodyguard go on saying.
- You have?”
(Mayby becase it was a video going o this bodygurad talk about the pee pics? To this day we have not seen any pic of that.)

Anyway, it show how bodyguards sells pics and that it was no control at all, around Britney.

Then someone stop all this leaks.
And someone get a lot of **** because of that 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

This Britney posing lately and having fun is so much better than looking like Barbie.

Is it possible that Britney’s *****es at BritneySpears.com really are taking more direction from her?

They have an unflattering picture of Ma.

http://www.britneyspears.com/2008/12/exclusive-pics-britneys-27th-birthday-bash.php

Steel. I’ll let you be the one to carry on with the middle finger in Japan. Is Britney getting an iota of more freedom in what is said about her or being able to pose and be done with cameras for the day?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

Ama. About MT, as I wrote I just thought about the contrast of someone like MT. He does not need swagger or outer-validation. He’d rather stick his neck out and I appreciate that about him.

About the car thing. Remember we were talking earlier about when Britney made a video tape with the paparazzi, “The world is so nice” etc? That’s the same guy who testified against her in the court case with the jury trial.

I got the impression from R. that that was vile act in his book. To take your cash cow and then betray them?

I do not think paps worked for Sands.

His media contacts are no miracle: it is the business he is in. Did he have spies and a network of favors for favors? Sure.

I was looking at the first week of February 2008. Do I have it correct that both Sands and Kaplan were subpoenaed with regard to fees they wanted Britney to pay ala Kaplan’s bill?

Was Sands released within 24 hours of that subpoena on him? It makes me sick to think that not only did Britney have to pay for K-Fed’s attorney but the very guy who was hired by Kaplan to get dirt on Britney and put dangerous (to her, like dancing on Tony Roma’s lap which she never did) information about Britney into the airwaves.

Correction. Kaplan was seeking $500,000. What did he actually get paid?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

Ama, I have not seen the video you are talking about.

Here is a thought though about paps working for Kaplan.

What’s the harm in telling Kaplan/Sands by phone of where Britney is at? Or where the paps are at, in trying to take photos. Give Sands a heads up and he can begin his media rounds. The photos can come later.

This seems somehing of an acceptable practice in more legitimate circumstances, e.g., Jordan and others get a heads up of what is coming later in the night. They get to release early news, “Britney was seen coming home today wearing… ” bla bla but no pics. The pics get bidded out, the agencies make their money, and shortly thereafter we the public get what I think are unsold pics or not the best of the litter.

Kaplan said he couldn’t have gotten the job done without the paps.

p.s. Ama. You don’t need to worry about me and Steel. I tend to go my own direction in following a story. Sometimes that direction is the same as hers but not today nor late yesterday.

Amapola Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

“gigi Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 1:21 pm During the erractic behavior is when she was video taped running the red light with them in the car then the judge said she could not drive with them in the car.”

A video when Britney was turning round (?) and driving on the red light, was when one women from this family supervisions team was in the car with her, and the kids.
There was so many paparazzi in cars around them, that the women get hysteric and shout “Drive! Drive! Drive! and Britney did.
Then Britney get the blame! 

Amapola Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

To AM 

http://svt.se/svt/play/video.jsp?a=1315934
Paparazzi

Steel have seen it 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

Is the woman screaming Drive Drive Drive caught on tape?

How would anyone know what was said in the car otherwise?

by the by, when I wrote “what’s the harm” in the paps giving a preview to Sands etc. — I was being sarcastic but the idea is plausible. Why not get a little extra money that X or other employers would never know about?

Amapola Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

http://svt.se/svt/play/video.jsp?a=1315552
This to  More twist
******************************

The first at 5:53 am, look in the video about 10 min in, after that in almost all in english..

Amapola Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 5:54 pm”

Yes, the window was done a bit, so one could hear it.¨ 
I prtest against what the gossip site put together later, and what the papers was write later this day/night, put I´m a “nobody” so nobody lissen..

gigi Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

AM I’m sure there are some out there from her party days not to long after spliting from Kfed but so what. Just because she was drinking doesnt mean anything. Who hasn’t. The difference is it was used against her with the press showing what she was doing. She is not treated fairly. Everyone knows Kfed parties but no one films it and uses it against him. Thats just wrong.

Amapola Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

“gigi Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 12:47 pm ok Time out. why is our site using all these archive photos? Why is Linda or whoever is writing not using current photos? What are they doing with the current photos?
Time In.”

I have also have thougt about what going on.
Some changes? Major changes? 
There are hard times nowedays. 
We hang one, and we will know.

gigi Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

Ama I think that is the time I was thinking of. Even if the other lady was in the car it was used against her to say she could not drive with the kids in the car because she is unsafe driving. They used so many different videos that are seen online. They need to give her the freedom that she deserves and also give her back her boys at least 50/50.

gigi Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

well I dont like the old photos at all. If the guys are working like normal they should have new photos unless they are selling them all. R is not on here like he was so I think he is in the field with the others working. I did see where Uli was wondering when a new Pap101 was going to come out. To me that means they have filmed one and are now waiting on R to put it online.

gigi Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

lol oh wait that was on this thread just a week ago

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

Ama. A somber thank you.

To that video I put up this:

“And so here it is, one last time. Adnan Ghalib has never worked for JFX Images or JFX Online. He’s a good friend of all us here at JFX. We celebrate birthdays and special events together and we consider him a good friend. We would never turn our friend over for money or favors.

JFX Online”

They are not all like that.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

GG writes @6:14: “Everyone knows Kfed parties but no one films it and uses it against him. Thats just wrong.”

I don’t think that is quite accurate. When Brit was married they filmed him all the time, shopping, partying, and staying at that apartment …

In the past year he has laid low but if you read the Star link that I posted (hard copy due out December 22nd) the moment he stepped out, the moment the presses began to roll again.

What bothers me is that she was portrayed inaccurately. I had never seen the footage that Ama offered in her first link today.

Is it Alli speaking? “You got your shots. Please don’t. Oh God please don’t.” and then “**** you” and **** off. (sorry Ronnie)

What human can not feel compassion? Apparently plenty. The story that made the airwaves what that Britney was crazy, lost it, or whatever.

No one took the time or investigated and published, “Hey. Give the girl a break. Her husband had possession of her children. Britney was diverted to Antigua. She had just come back from LAX.”

JFX wasn’t online yet or I would go back and see how they handled it.

Ama. I like your stance, “We hang one, and we will know.” There are alot of things we don’t know about and we don’t need to. Linda is doing fine. I asked R about an article about Cameron Dian. I had a complaint but R let me know that what Linda had said about Cameron was true and it was known.

We can have fun with whatever is going on or turn. I’m going the distance with this crew right up until they come out here and film “Arizona.” lol

Let’s have fun guys. I got enough worries and so do you. Half the reason I am on here is to escape them.

gigi Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

They did film him all the time when they were married. I have not seen them filming him during the child custody phase unless it is good behavior. Most of that time he had Kaplan with him. I do not believe for that entire year he was not partying. I also do not think that there were not women present. It just was not shown if my belief. Somehow they built him up to be the world best father and it worked. While doing that they broke her down.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

Query to Steel: In high school or in college were you part of the newspaper? If so, what section?

I was the high school’s feature editor meaning I wrote and had charge of human interest stories. My teacher chose me to do it.

My biggest high was unfolding the story of a local orphanage of which two classmates were members. They never even liked me, but I don’t know that they disliked me.

When I wrote the story and made their homelife into what it was — not a stigma but a home and a home for kids from difficult lives — they thanked me.

I soared. I never expected that. If I fine comb through periods that may seem irrelevant or boring, that’s why. Those kids couldn’t tell that story. All they did was act up in school.

If I ignore WEG from time to time there is a reason or if I act defensive and protective there is a reason. It’s the way I am made.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

Gigi they did film what looked like a hoochy mama and her friend (male) coming on to the premises.

Kaplan was there.

I wouldn’t want to imply the paps were in on not filming K-Fed. That’s silly.

If they could get him on film they got him, but they could probably make more money elsewhere. They caught him pumping gas, big deal. They caught him going out once with his hoodie pulled over his head.

Who knows. Now TMZ is showing him kissing a girl. Well it “looked” like him, and it did seem they were kissing but who knows.

Amapola Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 8:48 pm

http://svt.se/svt/play/video.jsp?a=1315934

AM
Did you look after 19:14 also?

Amapola Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

http://www.popcrunch.com/kevin-federline-britney-spears-moving-in-together/

OMG…
We have read this before, so I hope this is as untrue as before.. *screams*

One get headache, dont one… 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

Ama. No need for a headache. I’m calling bull**** and I hope you do too.

Thanks for the links. Is this a weekly program where you live?

I have not yet finished viewing the first link you posted, and I want to see it.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 17th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

It seems on that program they put up the cream of the cream.

The film may be out there but I have not seen our guys behave in this manner. I had hoped they lived to a higher standard. I still think that.

It’s like chasing down and cornering an animal.

Do you remember the tape, Ama, where they had Britney cornered? They didn’t offer her anything or a manner in which to escape. They had her trapped. “Won’t please someone give me their hand?”

There was no bargaining. Those boys crossed the line, big time, like they had a right.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 12:37 am

Ama. The version you pointed me to and the one on X17 are different. X17 seems to be missing a second and the audio is less clear. This makes it sound like Alli is saying, “Please don’t God please” etc. instead of the following of what I got from STV.

“You got your shots up please guys. Don’t guys please please guys don’t do this. “ Alli.

loud slam – something breaking?

“Ohmy God,” alarm. Alli.

“**** you.” Britney?

Black as camera swirls lights black no focus.

Unintelligible Tape shows frames of Britney hitting the car. Sounds of scuffle.

“Go **** yourself.”

Alli gets back in car as Brit says over her shoulder, “Go **** yourself!” then runs to car where Alli is already inside. A guy in a white t-shirt still photographs from Britney’s side of the car.

“Hey you’re going to get in trouble for that,” male anon says in the distance and not to the photog. Sounds black.

………….
http://x17online.com/celebrities/2007/02/index.php?page=5

Page down to 2/22

Our friend is at 2/21 22:57 @ 1:26

doc1955 Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 12:50 am

*Notes to Self*

What the heezy am I doing wrong with my life that I can’t spend time here anymore?

Not only am I lost in this 350+ thread, I don’t have time to read it all.

How dare I live my life outside of this thread! We’ve got an investigation to solve! A mystery to unfold! Walls to throw people on!

I must re-adjust my life. This is not acceptable!

These threads must once again become priority!

It is a must! An absolute MUST!

small hands Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 4:44 am

Tomorrow, tomorrow…

In the meantime, “Unusual You” is my favorite song on Circus. “Mannequin” also.

small hands Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 4:45 am

Oh and “Lace and Leather” too.

gigi Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 10:39 am

lol @ doc. Yes I have the same feelings. I must make it priority. I miss so much then it takes forever to catch up.

I don’t think the paps did not film Kfed on purpose. I think they either just didn’t see him that much or the people came to his house. He seemed really good at hiding. But I also don’t think he quit doing all the things that he had been doing either. I just think he hid so no one could catch him. Kaplan schooled him really well. The paps had much bigger fish to fry than Kfed. He is small change so why door step him. He is not that interesting.

I love the entire CD.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 11:32 am

lol @ Walls

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 11:39 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

Query to Steel: In high school or in college were you part of the newspaper? If so, what section?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No, no newspaper…

High School:

Fundraising Minister
Publicity Minister
Morning Announcement Girl

University & College:

Marketing Dept. (Graphic Design)
Class Web site
Pres. of Alumni Assoc. Chapter for TV & Film

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 11:43 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

Steel. I’ll let you be the one to carry on with the middle finger in Japan. Is Britney getting an iota of more freedom in what is said about her or being able to pose and be done with cameras for the day?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I don’t know…I thought maybe she was just getting bolder in what she thought she could get away with. LOL

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 11:45 am

Amapola Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

The paprazzi done the major work in taking Britney Spears down.

One can say, that in the same time they make there living, they did free work for Kaplan, Sands, and Kevin Federline.

Also, Sam Lutfi had special connections and treatment from some (ONE?) of the agency´s. That I also strongly believe.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I agree with this.

I believe the paparazzi have been used as a tool by people with an agenda.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 11:48 am

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 17th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

SM I did a cursory search on the chef business but moved on or back to the first time she lost custody by what appears to be a private arrangement under threat of making it more permanent.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

JS works for the Maloofs. It might be interesting to take a closer look at that relationship.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 11:49 am

P.S. Kill the Lights and Phonography are my favourites.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

P.S.S.

I *love* them. 

http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1229563479&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&amp;

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

LOL Steel @ the resume. I thought you’d quip back, “The Business & Finance pages of course.” 

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

LOL Steel @ the resume. I thought you’d quip back, “The Business & Finance pages of course.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Business & Finance?!

Heck, I’m MUCH cooler than that! LOL

I was the girl that came on the P.A. every morning in high school and told everyone to stand for the national anthem.

…I even got to push the “play” button on the cassette player. 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

LOL Steel. I did enjoy the visual of Morning Announcement Girl. Now I’ve got a cassette player image.

I peeked at JS and Maloof. I think that was a reprint by X17 of a Daily Mail or Mirror article.

I don’t think he was employed by them.

Nothing new in Orange Co. today. It’ll be interesting to see which way the judge goes on the second request to compel complete answers to the first set of interrogatories.

MH Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

http://podcasts.theatlantic.com/2008/04/the-britney-show.php

MH Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

The boys of X. LOL
http://www.emelec.tv/blog/tag/Francois_Navarre

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

You are a gem, MH! Coolest link ggrrrl ever.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

I peeked at JS and Maloof. I think that was a reprint by X17 of a Daily Mail or Mirror article.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.breatheheavy.com/archives.php?subaction=showfull&id=1138564135&archive=1139521831&start_from=&ucat=&amp;

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

Interesting SM.

btw, Navarre says Sam was Brit’s BFF for a about a year… I wonder when he called her to tell her about why Britney shaved her head.

Also in the archives, unrelated to MH’s links, X reported they heard it was Britney’s mother who got Britney to go to Antigua.

thx again MH for the link — it’s insightful to understanding how things work.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

SM. Just kicking around an idea. Why doesn’t Team Spears just look at BTI gross receipts and pay them?

It seems like there has been a strong movement to liquidate assets, unnecessary costs, and fill the coffers. What could have happened during Sam’s realm to cause such a demand for money?

Or is the lure/greed of damages from Plaintiff’s side, what prevents the parties from agreeing to a settlement?

On Feb 14, the Final Judgments (x2 BTI, and Britney Spears separate) were for “…Count I (Breach of Contract) and Count II (Accounting); and Final Judgment as to damages shall be enterred in an amount to be determined upon notice of hearing before this Court.”

Who is resisting who as to a presumably least expensive option to settling out of court?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Just kicking around an idea. Why doesn’t Team Spears just look at BTI gross receipts and pay them?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The million dollar question.

Maybe…

1/ There’s not enough money in the cookie jar to pay. Hence, the “Circus” tour?

2/ Section 41?

3/ Other?

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

“Steel_Magnolia Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 11:49 am P.S. Kill the Lights and Phonography are my favourites.”

Kill the Lights is also my favourite 
Feel like I put my fingers into the electrical contact, and get lots of extra force 

Phonography is not on my CD 
My bonus track is Radar.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

Amapola Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

Phonography is not on my CD
My bonus track is Radar.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Radar was my favourite off of Blackout…It’s strange to be getting it as a “bonus” on this album!

I also love the sound of “Trouble,” but can’t buy it here in my region. 

MH Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

Last night Ian hosted a chat w/ a lady from Page Six. Question: Thoughts on Adnan and Kevin? Answer: Adnan-Parasite, Kevin-Uneducated.

Below is from The Atlantic articles. (X17 owner aka Regis)

March 13, 2008 Interview
Regis: “It’s not the dream of the paparazzi to father a child with a star. I think on the contrary, that most paparazzi are shy guys and don’t have self-confidence. Adnan Ghalib came by accident to the business. He met a girl in the post-office three years ago and did what he did with Britney. He flirted with her, and met the dad of the girl, and became friends with the dad, and helped him to fix the house. And the dad considered him as his son. And it happened that guy was part of the paparazzi. He told Adnan, ‘I see you, you are struggling, why don’t you get a camera, and I will introduce you to some of my friends at the Fame agency.’ And the first one he was covering was Britney Spears. And he started to go after Britney right away. Trying to talk to her and so on and so on.
“Adnan has a big ego and big self-confidence. But the dream of the paparazzi is to hit the jackpot with one great shot and that’s it.”

April 2008 from Shooting Britney article
America’s sweetheart had dramatically and publicly un-edited herself, removing the customary trappings and protections of celebrity to reveal the damaged psyche of a fractured person who was no longer able or willing to regulate her public behavior.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

Thx MH.

I had asked a question two weeks back about Alli not being in US anymore but instead showing up in In-Touch.

I think it was the In-Touch guy or the National Enquirer guest who said, “I didn’t realize they didn’t want to work with her anymore.”

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

MH Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Last night Ian hosted a chat w/ a lady from Page Six. Question: Thoughts on Adnan and Kevin? Answer: Adnan-Parasite, Kevin-Uneducated.”

MH
STAR=Murdoch=****

“Below is from The Atlantic articles. (X17 owner aka Regis)
March 13, 2008 Interview”
Yes an old article who we, at least I, have seen many times here.
People who don’t know Adnan or Britney personally don’t know anything about what they feel this time when they have contact.

“Regis” was and are, as all other site owner, who not succeeded to get Adnan to talk, furioso on him, so I dont trust any of their opinons.

I must say, I wonder, how come that you all the time have work so hard to giving Adnan bad reputation, and the whole time kneel down infront of Kevin Federlines name?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

About Adnan talking to Britney or any other celeb, that’s their job or their way of getting information without a publicist, signing papers etc. bla bla

The link you posted earlier today educated me on more of that world.

Big deal. He talked to her. I thought I would throw up with X17 talking to her, during the day of events leading up to Britney and the umbrella.

Every time the car stopped he was at her window, “Are you OK?! Your fans want to know.” ad nauseum

Adnan was darling in the clips I have seen. Charming, without intrusion or especially a lack of respect.

“Lindsay, over the shoulder and we’ll let you go,” in link provided by Ama with Lindsay cornered and cross at an elevator. She indicated she would have been nicer if they had been more respectful.

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

We must remeber that all the worst gossip papers round the world, are running by the Murdoch imperium, and that have not been any good for the truth.

One can say, that IF there was any truth  before Murdoch, it died when he start his imperium 

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

Page Six = Murdoch too

MH Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

Ama, you seemed a litle sleepy lately, so I thought I’d wake you up a bit LOL.

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

AM and Steel_
Could it be so, that Britney Spears herself, want some part of her life to be private?

That she NOT would be amused if her private life never are left alone?
That every little details, as little it could be, are PRIVATE , and not for everybody to scrabbling into?

I would for sure be frustrated of that people think they OWN my life, and feel like they MUST have insight in EVERY part of my life.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

Ama. I don’t know about this Murdoch guy but when Adnan chose to speak, he did it through Star Magazine.

Remember what I said in another thread that the big news this month is NO news — that g.d. cyclical “news” story. I’m so glad it is gone.

I still think Ryan Seacrest is a pill but his airways also afforded an airwave for our friend.

PageSix is what is it = not a friend to our friend.

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

Murdoch is not any “guy” 
Read about him. Fox=Murdoch for example.
About papers over the world. 
There are almost nothing who is “Murdoch free”

MH Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

>>>I must say, I wonder, how come that you all the time have work so hard to giving Adnan bad reputation, and the whole time kneel down infront of Kevin Federlines name?

“all the time” “whole time”
If you go back in history, you’ll see that that is so not true. That wasn’t an invite to bring up old posts, which we know you’re good at, it’s just meant as a comment.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

Amapola Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

AM and Steel_
Could it be so, that Britney Spears herself, want some part of her life to be private?

That she NOT would be amused if her private life never are left alone?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I think there’s been much worse invasions of her privacy than us copying and pasting pre-existing links, and doing so on a hidden thread.

But that’s just my opinion. Others may see it differently.

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Ryan Seacrest will eat Perez for lunch, and I think Perez knows it 
That dont say I like RS, and belive in his “boy” look. 

MH Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

GO KEVIN!!!!

LMAO……

MH Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

Oh I’m being silly today.

I’ll go back under my rock.

Have a good day, ladies!

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

MH
Yeh, and I comment on your comment, and you re-comment on that! 

doc1955 Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

im still waiting for someone to make the connection between Mr. Ghalib’s interviewer after the Quizno rescue and the interviewer “voice” of ‘For the Record’

MH Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

Hugs and Wet Kisses to Ama!

Bye, Girls!

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

Oh doc…
I never thougt I would see you again 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

Thanks MH. Did it turn to slush in Vegas?

I was going to ask what did you think about what the lady from PageSix said.

Oh Doc — so nice to have your sarcasm. lol

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

Now i shall see The Mercent of Venice, again..
See you tomorrow. 

doc1955 Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

which may be impossible because it was a vid from 2007

anyone have it?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

Ama. We have a difference in what has already been published and misconstrued and setting the record straight.

We have been told a story that is not as true as it might have been told.

What do you want me or anyone to believe? That Britney is CRAZY, that she was a drug addict and an alcoholic, that she was nuts for hitting the car with an umbrella?

That’s the story that’s been told with the last impression being in the media now that she was locked up twice (proving her insanity! Right???)

btb, I am beginning to view you as a trouble maker when you get bored or can’t hang with the conversation.

doc1955 Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

i told u ladies im turning my life around - life is not worth living outside of jfx - what? u thought i was kidding?

i’m making a timeline now

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

I wonder that one of the initial attractions of Sam as a BFF was that he could get to the media and tell a story from Britney’s side, that wouldn’t be miscontrued. That’s what Navarre said.

But then Sam took over the media.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

# doc1955 Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

which may be impossible because it was a vid from 2007

anyone have it?

>>>>>

lol. Not enough to run downstairs but enough to have me full tilt forward w/a tear in the corner of my eye. lol Got the shallow laughs here doc. Thank you. Ow my mouth hurts.

doc1955 Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

pola bear’s comment recap within a post has worn off on u AM (=

doc1955 Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

why in the hell are we on a HP thread?

doc1955 Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

AM Sam wasn’t slangin’ Skittles

are u serious with wondering what an initial attraction was?

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

“Amethyst Mine Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 5:51 pm”

I think Britney have been totaly destroyd by everything who have happend in her life the last years.

She have had some kind of nervous breakdown, and a collapse of her whole system, physically and mental.
She have work since she was a very very young girl, and sadly, after she having this lovely kids, who she love so much, she find that her “love for life” was a womanizer.
She have nothing to hold her up.
She, as a normal human being, break down.

I have never belived she have any drug PROMLEMS.

And frankly, I find people who belive so, having HUGE problems with their own perception of reality.

Furthermore, I think this people have no life experience, have brains who are suited only for work on gossip papers, but should not be carry burdens of any importen matters.

Now you know how I think 

doc1955 Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

ah man im bored

ok i just read the first 100 or so posts ; shouldve done that last night but now, as i type with one hand (this sleepy 20+ lb.) i see Twain already hit my point

alas,

ill be back

late

and just for S & G’s

rip FP

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

doc
attraction and Sam in the same meaning? 

small hands Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

doc1955 Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
im still waiting for someone to make the connection between Mr. Ghalib’s interviewer after the Quizno rescue and the interviewer “voice” of ‘For the Record’
————————–
doc–I’ve been trying to figure out who the interviewer “voice” in For the Record was? I thought I had asked that question before, but maybe I forgot to ask.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

Ama. The language failed you in my post. Sarcasm doesn’t seem to translate with you.

I forgive. 

doc1955 Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

I completely agree with u Pola bear! B on drugs! Gasp! NO WAY!! And I for one KNOW I have a HUGEEEE I mean HUGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEperception of reality. I mean, my perception of reality is so damn big..I mean it IS B.I.G. You can’t get a perception of reality bigger than mine! It’s the biggest, my perception of reality, that is.

(turning head and whispering to the room with hand over mouth)

Psssst….What is a perception of reality? Anyone got one? Hurry! Give it to me…!!!

(turning back to Pola Bear)

yea so..like I was saying,,, my BIG ol’ perception of reality…man it’s so big…and…

small hands Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

doc1955 Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
why in the hell are we on a HP thread?
—————————-
I suggested a “Heroes” thread because of Britney having so many “heroes” around her who saved her. *insert sarcasm* if you feel it is appropriate 

doc1955 Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

i’d rather insert my huge perception of reality.

small hands Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

A few posts back, about Jamie Spears working with/for the Maloofs. He appeared on Dr 90210 a few yrs ago as the personal chef of the Maloof’s sister, who was one of the doctors shown on Dr 90210 at the time. I think he was still employed by them until he became conservator and is being paid to be Britney’s father, oh, I mean to take care of her. *sarcasm of course*

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

What was the original attraction doc?

I’m not sure why we are on the HP thread. Not everyone will see us I guess but those who insist will find us anyway.

Thx for the laugh. I love parody.

small hands Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

Be back much later, when you all are in bed 

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

lol @ Skittles

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

Gossip Media Desperation… 

They are in need (the gossip media), and now they try so hard to find anything to sell, or maybe provoce someone to bite ..

Kevin Federline and Britney Spears back together again… 
IF anyone belived that, then they need a doc 

This Madden guy and Britney, and Jamie Spears have arranged it???
OMG
Do people really belive in such “truths”
**************
Play doc, play..Its your world, not mine.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

MH. Isn’t PageSix a has been, no longer hiring?

Amapola Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

AM
Here you find Page Six
http://www.nypost.com/
(Murdoch  )

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

Thx. Ama. Did you reread things I posted that you reacted to, but this time understanding the sarcasm? If so you know where I stand.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

Rupert?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

Ah but the brand name of PageSix is gone.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Steel?

http://www.tmz.com/2008/02/29/landlord-to-brit-pay-your-rent-*****

more coming

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm

Loveshack wasn’t there before but it’s been there since…

Date Party Type Amount Description
3/28/2008 LOVESHACK TRUST Assessment $7.00 COPIES - CIRCUIT CIVIL
3/28/2008 LOVESHACK TRUST Payment $5.50 PAYMENT
3/28/2008 LOVESHACK TRUST Payment $1.50 PAYMENT
10/28/2008 LOVESHACK TRUST Assessment $25.00 COPIES - CIRCUIT CIVIL
10/28/2008 LOVESHACK TRUST Payment $25.00 PAYMENT
3/28/2008 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Assessment $7.00 COPIES - CIRCUIT CIVIL
3/28/2008 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $5.50 PAYMENT
3/28/2008 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $1.50 PAYMENT
10/28/2008 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Assessment $25.00 COPIES - CIRCUIT CIVIL
10/28/2008 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $25.00 PAYMENT

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm

12/16/2008 FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT
12/16/2008 AMENDED CASE MANAGEMENT ORDER
12/16/2008 ORDER GRANTING AGREED MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE PLTF’S FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

Steel. I don’t want to go to Elvis to prove that I posted those same legal fees for copies etc. before but last time those dates had Britney Spears or BTI?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

Total Amount Due: $0.00
Date Party Type Amount Description
10/29/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Assessment $255.00 FILING FEE - $141.75
10/29/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $255.00 PAYMENT
10/29/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Assessment $255.00 FILING FEE - $141.75
10/29/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Payment $255.00 PAYMENT
11/2/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Assessment $25.00 COPIES
11/2/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $25.00 PAYMENT
11/2/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Assessment $25.00 COPIES
11/2/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Payment $25.00 PAYMENT
11/29/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Assessment $25.00 COPIES
11/29/2007 WRIGHT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LLC Payment $25.00 PAYMENT
11/29/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Assessment $25.00 COPIES
11/29/2007 BRITNEY SPEARS Payment $25.00 PAYMENT

doc1955 Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

lord jesus

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

Have a Petron.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

12/18/2008 AMENDED CASE MANAGEMENT ORDER
12/18/2008 ORDER GRANTING AGREED MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE PLAINTIFF’S FIRST AMENDED COMPL AINT
12/18/2008 ORDER GRANTING PLAINTIFFS’ SECOND MOTION TO COMPEL COMPLETE ANSWERS TO PLAINTI FFS’ FIRST SET OF INTERROGATORIES AND FIRST REQUEST TO PRODUCE

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 18th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

I’m done Doc. Pass the Patron.

“I bought a Ferrari today.”

“Really doll? How’d you pay for it?”

Loveshack babe — that Amex thing wasn’t workin’

Amapola Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:11 am

Just because I feel so good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7_U-zj2gfE

MH Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:28 am

Angry Pap

http://blip.tv/file/203143/

MH Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:28 am

Idiot Paparazzi
http://blip.tv/file/1324980/

MH Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:33 am

More Idiot Paparazzi
http://blip.tv/file/1478310/

MH Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:35 am

I posted some vids…awaiting mod. Probably have to scroll up when they’re approved.

MH Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:40 am

I’m off to LA for the holidays.
Merry Chritmas!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fe11OlMiz8

MH Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:44 am

Wow, that was a quick approval, someones working late.

Why are the links being moderated?

I’ve never had a youtube link on mod.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:52 am

lol you two! Good night.

Happy holidays MH. Enjoy L.A.

I am off to Springfield, IL brrrrrrr.

gigi Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 10:43 am

Ronnie why are the videos leaving for good??

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 11:38 am

Great links, MH!

gigi Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

well well a little bird told me that our friend has his beard back. It looks nice. Hope things are going well for him.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

I’ve yet to even meet our “friend.” I think he should make another appearance so I can say “Hello.” 

gigi Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

I hope he pops in to say hello to us for Christmas. That would be the best present for all of us TA

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Half of us won’t be here G.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

I don’t know…I just bought myself a new 24″ widescreen monitor for Christmas. It’s pretty damn awesome!

But an “Hello” would be pretty cool, too! LOL

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 10:27

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Good find, AM.

When was the Loveshack purchased? And better yet, who lived in it??

If I have time today, I might look into that. I’m in the midst of a renovation/move, so I’m a little all-over-the-place right now…

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

I know that wiley GG. Last time she had our friend all to herself.

gigi Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

maybe he could do it before Christmas or after Christmas. I would still like for him to pop in at some point. Anytime would be great.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

Steel. It’s Loveshack Trust. If you look at the TMZ link you’ll see a reference to the purchase of the Malibu house or was it a lease.. Earlier media says they bought that house.

I don’t know how LT could be the 3rd party if it’s still BS’s.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I made the connection. 

The “Loveshack” and the third party stuff may be two different things.

I wonder if it’s the house referred to in these stories (see end):

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/britney-told-cops-im-fing-hot_10012570.html

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

Page down below the pics

http://www.bergproperties.com/blog/britney-spears-re-lists-her-7453-square-foot-house-in-the-beverly-hills-ca-postal-region-for-79m/

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

Awaiting moderation…

A re-paste:

I made the connection. 

The “Loveshack” and the third party stuff may be two different things.

I wonder if it’s the house referred to in these reports:

“(Lutfi) reportedly told police Britney had been extremely unstable and recently bought a house in Malibu on a whim, started moving furniture in and then changed her mind.”

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

I am awaiting moderation too… Steel — I found at least one date connected to Howard Grossman.

Google 3200 Retreat Court Malibu Love Shack etc.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

Steel. It’s not a house but a Trust Fund of which Howard was once the Trustee.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

It’s not a house but a Trust Fund of which Howard was once the Trustee.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I assumed the trust fund was created to make payments on the house.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

P.S. That’s why I was asking who lived in the house…

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

Love Shack Trust also purchased the house at the Summit, so perhaps it’s the company she uses to purchase real estate?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

Just thinking…

Yes, Grossman would be a trustee because he was her business manager? So it would be part of his job?

However, it looks like payments were being missed on the Malibu property (at least). Who knows if payments were being missed on other properties, too.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

Hello Lynne. We didn’t see this one before on the SBJ Trust Fund - established I think December 4, 2004.

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0214_brian_spears_wm.pdf

Stacy Smith was involved in both Love Shack (see purchase of 3200 Retreat Court September 29, 2004) and SBJ. Howard was signed in before the sell of the house Aug 31, 2007.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

Steel. I am in moderation again. I am posting my note without the link.

Hello Lynne. We didn’t see this one before on the SBJ Trust Fund - established I think December 4, 2004.

Stacy Smith was involved in both Love Shack (see purchase of 3200 Retreat Court September 29, 2004) and SBJ. Howard was signed in before the sell of the house Aug 31, 2007.

The court documents provided by TMZ detail the heck of what a trust fund is (for those of us in other income brackets) and what the responsibility of the trustee(s) are.

The trust is liquid assets. Ivan Taback and Bryan needed access to SBJ to pay the bills.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

Steel. Lynne was a co-trustee of SBJ Trust in 2004 — she was not authorized to make decisions or spend money without a co-trustee or second party.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

Well, at the very least, we know Howie was in that role prior to Aug. 31.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

Steel. I don’t get it. If she sold the Malibu property then how could she be late in payments.

Howard was supposed to be paying all bills as the trustee.

The job title of business manager is a little misleading.

3200 Retreat Court, Unincorporated Los Angeles County, CA 90265
Owner: Todd E Gelfand (Trustee) and Love Shack (Trust)
sales history (1992-present)
Shadow

$10,000,000 on August 31, 2007
B: Samantha Ashley (Trust), Jana Sommers (Trustee) (Trustee) and Stephen Sommers
S: Howard Grossman (Trustee) and Shack Love (Trust)

$6,300,000 on September 29, 2004
B: Love Shack (Trust) and Stacy Smith (Trustee)
S: Barbara King (Family Trust) and Barbara King (Trustee)

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

I don’t get it. If she sold the Malibu property then how could she be late in payments.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Maybe she bought a second Malibu home, not long before the first 5150.

Note the “warning” from the landlord in the TMZ article. Might someone have been living in it, more or less free of charge??

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

P.S. That might explain how she went from $100 million to an estimated $40 million in the course of a year.

Houses are big ticket items.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

Correction. SBJ was established July 26, 2004. I don’t have time to run through all of the court documents. Going out in a while.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

And then if anything was to happen, then Bryan, Stacy Smith and Ivan Taback would be the successors.

However Stacy Smith declined or announced this possible role in December 2004. She may have moved to Virginia or was staying in Virginia as that’s where she appeared before a Notary Public stating she is who she says she is.

It must have taken serious legal work to make Howard a trustee to Love Shack, another trust… are the Love Shack and SBJ directly related?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

Steel. I see to remember some scuttle earlier this year concerning a rental property. Wasn’t Jamie trying to get out of that obligation or lease or whatever? Maybe that was Hawaii.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

From “The Real Estalker”:

Monday, October 8, 2007
UPDATE: Britney Spears

“Your Mama finally got some clarification about the Malee-boo property where the increasingly troubled and now child-free pop tart Britney Spears has been living since she vacated the marital house of horrors she shared with FedEx up in the guard gated Serra Retreat.

The Malibu Minx, one of Your Mama’s favorite and knowledgeable tipsters, tells us that the trashy party princess has NOT purchased the 8,500 square foot house on gated Ramirez Canyon Road as we had previously thought.

Turns out the mega-rich lip syncher, who reportedly earns a shocking and astounding $700,000 per month, has leased the place for nine months at a cost of $35,000 per month (unfurnished), with an option to purchase.

We know that the gurl stays in hotels most nights and she still has her place up in The Summit in Bev Hills which is still for sale at $7,495,000, but she’s still paying $35,000 a month to occupy the house in Malee-boo, regardless of how many nights she actually sleeps there.

Your Mama also hears from the Malibu Minx that Miz Spears had to put an massive six figure deposit down on the property. The deposit will count towards the purchase of the home if she buys the property. But if the fickle money burner decides not to buy the property, the Malibu Minx says she forfeits the deposit.”

Interesting.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

Per The Real Estalker the property was up for sale by Jan 28 2007.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

March 31, 2007 Real Estalker

Reports say Federline is due half the proceeds from the sale of this house, so you know the white rapper called up listing agent Kimberley Pfeiffer at Coldwell Banker and told her to “sell the damn house lickety split ’cause yo yo yo needs a new pair of sneakers and a trip to Vegas.” No babies, the white rapper didn’t actually say that, but we like to think he said something along those lines.

One of our Malee-boo real estate snitches told us he thinks the property is a very difficult sell because of all the taint surrounding it. Looks like he might be right from the humongous price chop late this week. The couple first priced their former love shack at $13,500,00 and have now slashed the priced by $1,500,000 and one dollar to $11,999,999.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

Looks like it’s two different houses.

The first she bought and put up for sale. The second she was renting for $35,000 a month.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

The second house:

Monday, October 8, 2007…
Ramirez Canyon Road…

This is around the time of her losing custody, and around the time Suppository Sam inserted himself into her business affairs.

I’d say this is the one in the TMZ article.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

Suppository Sam — is that a new one Steel?

ok so two houses — makes more sense

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

Oh, heck, I’ve been using that one for months now!

It’s my favourite - it seems to describe him wonderfully. 

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

btb - I didn’t feel (let the spies do their own work) like listing out all of the defendants down south but SJB (sorry I’ve been posting this wrong) Trust was one of them.

Until yesterday only BS and BTI were listed.

From the beginning of access the status of the case was CLOSED — they should update.

The Defendants (BS BTI) and the Plaintiff’s names were also marked CLOSED as to status. Yesterday the trusts and companies popped up and they were marked CLOSED.

The only co. or trust to make payments for court fees and copies were BS and then as of March 2008, but only appearing yesterday, was Loveshack.

LS Trust, SJB Trust and SJB Insurance Trust.

btb, even Britney’s non-profit charity org was listed as a defendant yesterday, status closed.

Are they all part of those interrogatories?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

Wasn’t there money missing from Britney’s charitable foundation? I think the media accused Bryan …

Sam went to Howard for the money — I guess he went to the right place.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

I would think they’d have to go through ALL of her companies, especially if some of them are interlinked (e.g. into BTI). How else would they be able to come up with an accurate number as to how much WEG is owed?

WEG had access to all of these numbers up until December 2006, and it should have continued to have access until the present time. So nothing seems strange to me about them asking for it.

Sam would go to Howie for the money…because Howie is the one with the power to cut cheques. Heck, even B would have to go to Howie. I would think.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

Correction:

I would think they’d need the financials from all of her companies. (That’s what I meant by “they’d have to go through.)

Charitable foundation…Hadn’t heard anything about that. So far.

Also…

From here on in, we’ll have to remember there’s a difference between BS and TSF. And B’s image appears to be used for both. It’s a blurry line.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

She did. She got the Mercedes from him the day she checked out of UCLA. I wonder why he didn’t give her any money or a credit card — or did he lie about that?

I don’t understand the charity or foundation part — what does that have to do with Gross Receipts — money she made?

It can only be good as far as house cleaning is concerned.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

Fox has a link on the charity being in the red June 19, 2008.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

What if Britney fired her mom by December 2006 and hired Howard?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

Her mom wasn’t an accountant, though. She would’ve received cheques, not made them out.

It sounds more like B fired the accountant hired by her mom, and hired Howie in his/her place.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

Wait…I think I get you.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

SJB is liquid, Love Shack is non-liquid?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

It must have taken serious legal work to make Howard a trustee to Love Shack, another trust…
are the Love Shack and SBJ directly related?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

SBJ is liquid assets. Love Shack is real estate. Correct?

(I wish I knew what I was talking about here…)

Question…

Following rehab (and the anger associated with that), is it possible that B had her family removed as trustees from all of it?

What was the status of SJB and Love Shack (and BTI) going into the second 5150? Who were the trustees or folks in charge?

…You may have hit on something here.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

Coming out of the second 5150, we have JS and Wallet in control of BTI (?), and BS and IT in control of SJB. (Correct?)

But going INTO the second 5150…Who was in control?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EleKwkt_fU

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

Awaiting moderation…

Re-paste:

Coming out of the second 5150, we have JS and Wallet in control of BTI (?), and BS and IT in control of SJB. (Correct?)

But going INTO the second 5150…Who was in control?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

I can’t log out…I’m perpetually trapped inside JFX.

Ronnie, help! LOL

Ronnie Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

want me to shut the site down?!?!

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

Sorry. I should have said back in a few hours.

I think all three trusts are liquid. Bryan and Ira were never removed from SJB. They were in the original document from 2004 — which you would know if I hadn’t been moderated but the document is out there. It was Exhibit A when BS and Ira assumed their roles as was the plan should Britney not be able to fulfill her role.

SBJ was significantly more than just liquid assets and paying checks here and there. The 2004 document is cumbersome to read but insightful as to Britney’s role with her Mom.

Kevin Federline was employed by BTI but either not for a long time or didn’t work many hours. It was part of the income he had to show in asking for spousal support, i.e.. It’s funny that that accounting of income minus expenses document is out there on Kevin but not on Britney that I could find. I was looking for HG and wondering what he cost her, on the books.

Sooo… here’s what I am thinking. That SJB had been safe from Grossman as trustee. No one mentions any changes to it, or they didn’t mention changes to it, so BTI was the one that not only needed immediate care but was the easiest one to wrangle from Grossman since he had been fired?

I am confused. Bryan and I need access to liquid assets to pay for Britney’s expenses and to meet financial obligations, liabilities, etc. So when the lawyers were paid last time, and Jamie Spears go paid — who paid the expenses? BTI or SJB?

One would assume that BTI had an original arrangement similar to SJB. Was it changed and if so, who were the next trustees set up should anything happen to the sole trustee, Britney Spears? Howard and Northern Trust Bank?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

Hey Steel — you put a link. Was the youtube link moderated before showing up?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

Sam? That would have been too obvious but without the conservatorship over Britney by her dad we probably wouldn’t even have noticed.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

lol Ronnie! lol Steel!

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

lol lol Ronnie!

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

Steel. If my online source is right, she rented the house in September 2007.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

Steel. Wasn’t Britney living at the Malibu house when she wasn’t getting her phone calls — due to bad cell phone coverage or…. — for the drug tests? It’s not in the time line but I seem to remember some riff or raff with cell phone coverage.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

Steel. The house I found is not the same as TMZ was showing. The rental house I found was more remote, no neighbors looming upon it.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

Steel. brb — in the event of death, physical disability or mental illness, there will be a new Settlor, named in the trust. In SBJ it was Bryan, flesh and blood, and Ivan, attorney.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 9:25 pm

The part that says what Lynne does isn’t included in the documentation. Only that which is relevant to BS’s and IT’s petition is. All we the public know is that Lynne can not do her job or make decisions without a bank or a trustee.

“If no other Trustee (Britney) other than the Settlor’s mother is acting… it being the intention that she (Lynne) not act alone…”

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

Britney or the Settlor had the right to hire and terminate, with or without cause, a person, bank or trust … read it for yourself.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 19th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

Random: “As far as the trust goes, the judge granted Jamie’s request that Britney’s older brother, Bryan, be named as the trustee. The trust, called the SJB Trust, was established by Britney on July 26, 2004.

It is a revocable living trust to substantially hold all of her assets.

At the time it was created, Britney was the sole trustee. As of now, she no long has control over the trust.

Bryan, 30, will serve as co-trustee with attorney Ivan Taback.”

MH Says: 
December 20th, 2008 at 3:43 am

>>>It’s funny that that accounting of income minus expenses document is out there on Kevin but not on Britney that I could find.

Check TMZ. I remember reading both of them when they were first posted.

MH Says: 
December 20th, 2008 at 3:47 am

Hi Ronnie,

Why are you guys getting rid of videos?

And why are the links being moderated now?

I guess no more vids means no more pap 101? Bummer.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 20th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

Ronnie, it was a good thing you didn’t shut the site down overnight. I would’ve been trapped in cyber space…FOREVER! LOL

I’m just popping in…Have a Christmas party to attend which is several hours away. Gotta get motoring…before the liquor store closes! Ha ha!

AM, I’ll have to check out the stuff you posted when I get back in town tomorrow. (And yes, the link to the YouTube video was in moderation.)

Goodnight!

MH Says: 
December 20th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/30809167.html

Amapola Says: 
December 20th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

Open a tag

“Go” to youtube dot com,
Copy this meaning (all worlds):)
””””””””””””””””””””’

Legaci singing “Silent Night” cover by boyz to men

small hands Says: 
December 21st, 2008 at 3:14 am

I’m gone for a day or two and I’m completely lost.
Have a nice weekend with shopping, baking, eating, and partying 

doc1955 Says: 
December 21st, 2008 at 4:33 am

That ‘Trouble’ song by Britney is bananas!

gigi Says: 
December 21st, 2008 at 7:00 pm

Hey Ronnie!! Merry Christmas. Your daughter sure is a cutie pie like you.

MH Says: 
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:54 am

Hey Adnan…this ones for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBBlqP1cK_0

Amapola Says: 
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:49 pm

“doc1955 Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 4:33 am That ‘Trouble’ song by Britney is bananas!”

Temptations, lures, icecold, hot, cat playing with mouse, mouse playing with cat, sweet, cruel, yes, no…yes…no.. never, right now, yes, no, who?, you YOU yes, no, no , yes, maybe..
Merry Chrimsas doc 

Amapola Says: 
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 pm

corrections:
Merry Christmas doc 

Amapola Says: 
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:03 pm

MH, thank for the link (even if I´m not Adnan  )

She is very ****. Many very **** women out there, but its something especial with Britney.

Can’t find the right word.
She is just especial.
So especial.

gigi Says: 
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm

Merry Christmas everyone.

thanks MH for the link.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 1:26 am

I’m fatter but I am back. Hello everyone!

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 11:54 am

I never went anywhere, but have been too busy stuffing myself with Toblerones and getting into:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q9fO3G2Hbs

…LOL!

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

small — is this the same or similar set you posted re Brett, Oct 10, 2007? (follow the link below, click on pics)

Ama — page down to October 10 - Britney Out And About, 11 Oct 2007, by Jordan Miller

Our friend is at 2:41 though you can hear his voice once or twice earlier

http://www.breatheheavy.com/archives.php?archive=1197928615&subaction=list-archive

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

Moderated. That’s ok. TA is patient and doesn’t ask alot of questions. This member anyway.

I think Steel or small posted a similar link back to Oct 2007 w/Brett but the clip I posted had our friend.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

Steel. Put the break into Britney’s house into your timeline. October 5, 2007. Caption, breatheheavy,

October 05 - Britney With Police While Paparazzi Change Her Tire
06 Oct 2007, by Jordan Miller

Our friend is once again in the video.

The moderated link has posted.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Steel. “we” underestimated Lynne’s role in the SJB Revocable trust. As long as she didn’t act alone she had plenty of influence and power.

small — you have wondered sometimes what Lynne may have lived on. How about trustee’s fees? She was the Trustee of the trust so long as she didn’t act alone.

Steel — Bryan and IT assumed Britney’s rights the moment a conservatorship was appointed. Court was a formality.

I am willing to bet $5  at least that Lynne was replaced by Howard and Northern Trust Bank.

If Lynne and a co-trustee (It was clear Britney did not want her acting on her own) had still been in charge I would believe the liquid assets would have been accessible.

$200K for Bryan has me a bit baffled. IT double-dipped as trustee and attorney, plus he was a partner in the firm that represented Britney in California. IT was not certified to practice in California. So he got Trustee fees, attorney fees, plus a share as partner in his law firm of which he was a partner.

I can see where it made sense at the time …If you read the documents it sounded cheaper and faster to run with his firm over another.

Love. Your amateur,

AM

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

Damn, you’re good!

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:09 pm

I’d say that $5 is a pretty safe bet.

I wonder if we could find a date when that occurred. It wouldn’t have been around…March/April 2007, would it?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

I am being moderated again. Here’s what I posted without the link.

p.s. thanks for the rah.  I think it’s called printing, highlighting, thinking….

If you have the patience it’s worth finding and reading “Ex-parte Petition to Appoint Temporary Trustees; Grant Powers to Temporary Trustees;” etc. 20 pages.

Don’t you think that SJB was a way to ensure KF never got access to the money aka the most substantial source of liquid assets?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

doh!

>>>>>
I should be clear and fair. About Lynne acting on her own — I think the point was about having people around who knew what they were doing, i.e., investing in stocks, bonds etc.

Even so, if I read things right, Trustees could ignore advice from others.

p.s. I don’t think there is a Goldstick, Weiberger, Feldman and Grossman anymore but I could be wrong.

We can also X out Grossman being a CPA.

Howard L. Grossman (Member) born Poking, Federal Republic of Germany, December 14, 1948; admitted to bar, 1976, New York and New Jersey. Education: Yeshiva University (B.A., 1970); Rutgers University Law School (J.D., 1974). Member: New York State Bar Association. Practice Areas: Cooperative Law; *****inium Law; Real Estate. Email: Howard L. Grossman

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

A lawyer, not a number cruncher. Hmm.

I’d feel a lot better if I knew that she knew HG before she ever met SL.

To me, it would mean she made these changes because she truly WANTED to, not because someone pressured her into doing something while she was in a fragile state.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

About $5… let’s say Brit started acting “crazy” to the family when she fired Lynne as Trustee in December 2006?

Britney was the Settlor so she had ultimate rights as the sole trustee until a c-ship was established.

Otherwise reading through the documents she had similar privileges to Lynne, i.e., hiring and firing co-trustees at will, but otherwise Lynne was running it, if I am reading the docs right.

I am not B but I would have been angry enough at Lynne to appoint someone else. Picture it. Having to run to your mother and her partner or teammate be it a bank or someone else when you are divorcing and your mother disagrees with it?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Did I just read the first paragraph of 10:26 correctly?!

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

If that’s an actual date…that would change…

…everything.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

“All men cheat” is bull****. I read enough of L’s book to believe she rationalizes. L put up with alot from her husband and community and she’s backward enough to send a daughter away, by an inch.

Her daughter’s bags are packed.

Suffice, Britney herself didn’t trust anyone by February.

I am only looking at December because that’s when WEG went missing what were presumably regular paychecks.

Don’t miss the point about HG and real estate planning etc. It’s funny. Tonight I am finding him in NY… I thought he was a Cali guy. He moved? When? When did he cease being a partner in GWFG? He is no longer a partner right?

We have a middle initial. L. MH or someone may have given that to us before.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

Did I goof on GWFG?

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

Correctly or accurately… that is the question. It’s theory Steel.

We have zero documentation as to when or if Lynne was let go. It would make sense if she were though given the “urgency” of the matter in making it official that BS and IT were given access to the liquid funds. btb, liquid could include selling real estate, bonds, a number of things.

It would also make sense if Lynne were “let go” during that time period or even a little later as she was looking for things to do — praying to God so much that SL looked like the answer? ohmy.

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:41 pm

Wow, you’re getting way ahead of me!

I need to print, highlight, think if I need to make sense of this thread. I feel like we’re unlocking some mysteries here…

I do think December 2006 (or thereabouts) appears to be a key date.

Amethyst Mine Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:41 pm

That was February right? YEP. February 2007 — the Malibu house is supposedly planted with something, per Sam.

You think the break-in at Britney’s house and being out with JR Rotem in Oct 2007 was random by the way?

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

It would also make sense if Lynne were “let go” during that time period or even a little later as she was looking for things to do — praying to God so much that SL looked like the answer? ohmy.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Theory only. Okay.

But there’s something in that last paragraph you just posted. Oh my, indeed!

Steel_Magnolia Says: 
December 28th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

Amethyst Mine Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 10:41 pm

That was February right? YEP. February 2007 — the Malibu house is supposedly planted with something, per Sam.

PLUS

— praying to God so much that SL looked like the answer? ohmy.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Is it wrong of me to group these two paragraphs together?

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On 7/29/2021 at 3:15 PM, Steel Magnolia said:

Doc, Miami and Nose Candy
xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com
Thu 2008-09-18 11:56 PM
To: Steel Magnolia

Well now we need to figure out who did it.
If it's Larry Rudolph, I would not be at all surprised.
 
In fact, did you see a recent pic of them where's he's kissing JJ on the face. They looked like a family portrait.

 

> From: steel_magnoliaXX@live.com
> To: xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com
> Subject: RE: Doc, Miami and Nose Candy
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:49:13 -0300
>
>
> Weird how the rest of it actually turned out to be true!!
>
>
> Britney Spears was ***ually assaulted in February, claims National Enquirer
> Tuesday May 8th, 2007 at 4:14 pm by Lucy
>
> The National Enquirer is claiming that Britney Spears was ***ually assaulted in Florida, just days before shaving her head in February.
>
> The publication is reporting that Britney was attacked while in Miami during the week leading up to her head shaving. A source told the tabloid that the attacker was known to Britney and attempted to have s** with her.
>
> The magazine doesn’t give specific details on when the incident took place but Britney passed through Miami twice that week - on her way to and from a momentary stay in the Crossroads rehab clinic in Antigua.
>
> The source added that Britney is still suffering from depression and anxiety but has stopped taking her medication, and is now talking in “strange voices” and refusing to wear clothes around her house.
>
> Britney’s spokesperson has denied an assault took place.
>
> https://fametastic.co.uk/archive/20070508/5965/britney-spears-was-***ually-assault-in-february-claims-national-enquirer/

What wait a minute, I’ve never heard of this… 

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