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15 hours ago, Bundy said:

he never had a breakdown.

Public, he has never had a public breakdown ... that doesn't mean anything!
Justin has had a problem with alcohol with drugs with misogyny with his behavior ...
The difference is that Justin has a team and family who take care of him and protect him, that's the difference between Britney and Justin.
Justin was the first person to throw a rock at Britney publicly ... he was the first person to hurt her publicly.
Justin is very lucky that Britney decided to shut up and not say what kind of person he is.
Britney comes from an ignorant and toxic family, a girl who had a lot of pressure, and her boyfriend and part of their team were the first to discredit and humiliate her and that she should not allow it.
God does not know how I want someone to talk about reality one day. That day too many blindfolds will fall off!.

 

14 hours ago, Puppy said:

Justin's mom was a total stage mom

Exactly! Only that she had a lot of ambition and driving and she cared about her son and Lynne had no ambition and driving and she doesn't care very little about her daughter (because unfortunately, she has shown it that way).

4 hours ago, Bigno said:

I am totally clueless. Which friend? 

An envious woman named Nikki originally worked with Britney in the group and at MMC and failed at both. Now she's reunited with Justin and she's acting like she's her best friend and of course, she has to discredit Britney and she's a professional conservator.

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Her dad is DESPERATE to control her IDGI. Let it go man. Side note: I know I will get hate for this but can we please stop with the "suffer James," "hope his colon explodes" kind of comments plea

trash trash trash. Suffer James

I cannot believe he approached Bessemer Trust. Desperate times call for desperate measures.  Thankfully Bessemer Trust are a respectable firm and told Ingham. 

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14 hours ago, Puppy said:

Exactly, I was horrified at how she justified her actions, like we all saw Jamie Lynn spunky and outspoken yet Lynne acts like she needs to care for JL when there's Jamie and she's gonna pretend like Jamie Lynn didn't spend her early childhood in NY. Britney was travelling the world and meeting new people every second, we see her get hounded by everyone yet Lynn sits back in her grand Serenity estate that Britney BUILT FOR HER, like uh Britney should just cut ties with them and start her own family, she doesn't owe them anything since they continue to refuse fault and project their insecurities on Britney, no wonder she's a mess. 

Yeah, Jessica''s book she talked about how Justin's mom was a total stage mom but she was very nice hence why her family hung with her. Jessica said that Justin was over confident and the fact his mom told them all the commercials he's been in and hence how they found out about headshots. I feel really bad for Britney because we see many times she looks worn out but she muscles through like a real trooper yet her family acts all entitled. I can see why Britney is so needy and has attachment issues, because that's what her parents consistently done to her. 

And she had her sister, her family. She could have asked them to take care of JL for a while when she was with Britney in Sweden or whatever. They really did her wrong so many times. It was the same thing in 2007 when Britney was alone and broken but Lynne was more worried with JLs career. She was always set aside. 

Ikr, then she goes on television to say she didnt have influence on Britneys life anymore, that people who she was hanging around were cooler than her family. I mean, hell, at least she was seeing these people more. Where was Lynne then? She didnt have influence on Britney anymore bc more and more they became strangers to Britney. Even nowadays shes too busy wiping her grandaughters ***** while Britney is fighting to remove her messy dad out of her life. I cant with this family. They really ignore and belittle Britney. I think they dont even feel responsible for what happened to Britney, they feel like they were such great parents and Britney is just crazy. U said everything: every single one of them are frustrated people and Britney pays for this somehow. 

Justins mom was a stage mom, but the difference is her son was always her priority. I dont think she pushed Justin, but she believed in him a lot so she helped like she could. She was always with him even when he was a young adult. Thats why Justin is so confident and seems more stable. I wish someone in Britneys life cared for her half of what Justins mom cares about him. Its funny she follows Britney till this day and likes her posts tho. 

I feel like Britneys family act as if being under a cship is nothing while they also tell her she needs them and the cship to live. If she feels trapped, they probably call her dramatic like her own sister did. Then if shes sad or tries to fight, they use that to say shes unstable and needs the cship all her life. While mooching off her their entire lives. Funny how they were always all ok with Britney working while she cant even handle her own money. They are the worst. They just seem horrible, even Lynne. 

Britney needs a good therapy bc of her daddy issues, bc she was left alone, bc of this whole cship mess. She shoud sue them all for emotional distress once shes free. 

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5 hours ago, Forever22 said:

Probably Nikki DeLoach. She did a podcast interview on “we need to talk about Britney” 

Keep in mind she is Justin’s Bestie. She was also on MMC. 

I think she was really respectful tbh. She didnt shade Britney at all. I wish Bryan acted like that on that messy interview he did, but I bet he doesnt respect Britney whatsoever.

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7 hours ago, LLuvia said:

Public, he has never had a public breakdown ... that doesn't mean anything!
Justin has had a problem with alcohol with drugs with misogyny with his behavior ...
The difference is that Justin has a team and family who take care of him and protect him, that's the difference between Britney and Justin.
Justin was the first person to throw a rock at Britney publicly ... he was the first person to hurt her publicly.
Justin is very lucky that Britney decided to shut up and not say what kind of person he is.
Britney comes from an ignorant and toxic family, a girl who had a lot of pressure, and her boyfriend and part of their team were the first to discredit and humiliate her and that she should not allow it.
God does not know how I want someone to talk about reality one day. That day too many blindfolds will fall off!.

 

Exactly! Only that she had a lot of ambition and driving and she cared about her son and Lynne had no ambition and driving and she doesn't care very little about her daughter (because unfortunately, she has shown it that way).

An envious woman named Nikki originally worked with Britney in the group and at MMC and failed at both. Now she's reunited with Justin and she's acting like she's her best friend and of course, she has to discredit Britney and she's a professional conservator.

I always thought he seemed more stable even tho hes a narcissist. 

And that was my point: Justin had his mom who was always there for him, two daddies, a really close friend, etc. He always seemed very loved by people around him. I wish Britney had at least one person like this in her life right now. 

And Justin talked about Nikki before, he also says they are friends. Nikki seemed very respectful saying Britney is so talented, that she became so famous at such an early age (she even talked about how she became the most famous person in the world). She even said Britney did Vegas bc it was safe for her, not bc she needed. I didnt think she tried to shame Britney for her breakdown or anything. Basically she said Britney was always alone, her parents werent with her in the beginning so its understandable if 2007 happened. I have problem with people like Lance judging her for her instagram and thinking he knows everything bc JL talks to him while he doesnt even know who Lou Taylor is. 

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23 hours ago, britneyluv said:

So that's actually kind of what I mean. First, I always take alleged emails and phone recordings with a grain of salt (authentication blah blah blah) but I do think this email shows that Britney was worried that Lou might have a corrupting effect on her family, who seemed to be on the sidelines while Britney was navigating the industry in her prime. It's one thing to say she doesn't care about her drunk effing father, and Jamie clearly has behaved horribly in the past, but I also don't necessarily think she's scared of him anymore in a way that she would need a restraining order. I think she just doesn't wanted to be treated like a little girl who needs to go through her elderly problematic daddy to make standard adult decisions. 

 

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On 10/14/2020 at 5:03 PM, Jordan Miller said:

Her dad is DESPERATE to control her IDGI. Let it go man.

Side note: I know I will get hate for this but can we please stop with the "suffer James," "hope his colon explodes" kind of comments please. It just makes this place toxic and it's not the vibe we want to roll with here. 🙏 

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7 hours ago, Bundy said:

I always thought he seemed more stable even tho hes a narcissist. 

And that was my point: Justin had his mom who was always there for him, two daddies, a really close friend, etc. He always seemed very loved by people around him. I wish Britney had at least one person like this in her life right now. 

And Justin talked about Nikki before, he also says they are friends. Nikki seemed very respectful saying Britney is so talented, that she became so famous at such an early age (she even talked about how she became the most famous person in the world). She even said Britney did Vegas bc it was safe for her, not bc she needed. I didnt think she tried to shame Britney for her breakdown or anything. Basically she said Britney was always alone, her parents werent with her in the beginning so its understandable if 2007 happened. I have problem with people like Lance judging her for her instagram and thinking he knows everything bc JL talks to him while he doesnt even know who Lou Taylor is. 

Justin has or has had serious problems such as drugs (*******, *********, etc.), alcohol, misogynistic behavior, and chronic insomnia ... with this, he already has more problems than Britney but his problems have not been public, that is the difference.
Justin is a child who has been allowed everything, a child spoiled by his mother and also by society and industry.
If you love a person, you protect them, never expose their problems and try to help as much as you can.
Justin had Johnny, Sonia, his mother, and a team (which was Britney's old team that helped and protected him and of course never exposed him, quite the opposite of Britney).

Nikki spoke in favor of conservatorship and her father, she should be silent on issues that she has no idea for example (Britney and Wade issue who spoke without knowing and of course judging Britney).
Let her talk about herself and her bestie Justin (let her talk about her bestie and the infinite infidelities towards his wife and leave the others alone).
She also talked about the night of VMA 07 to worry about drunkenness and other things of her friend Justin and stop judging and talking about Britney.
It's true, Britney needed a good professional manager who cared about her and her career,  get away from her toxic family (Jive tried to keep Jamie away, they didn't want it to know that he was an abusive alcoholic and that's why he was never around in those years).

If Britney hadn't been surrounded by bad professionals like Larry (Johnny and Sonia were good professionals but they betrayed her to fight for Justin's career) this would never have happened, if she hadn't allowed toxic ex-boyfriends like Justin this wouldn't have happened and she would not have allowed ex-husband who was interested in her money and fame like Kevin Federline this would not have happened, If she had not allowed the harassment and defamation of the press this would not have happened, If she had not allowed herself to be surrounded by a stalker and her troop.
If she had surrounded herself from the beginning with good and professional people this would never have happened.

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Is her father still living in 2007/2008? Why does he feel the need to control her every move? Britney, at this point in her life, is so far removed from the chaos of those years and she has spent years proving it. She is an almost 40 year old woman with two children of her own and for whatever reason, Jamie doesn't understand that she deserves to be an adult and mother in peace. It's so ******* sad and I can't imagine fighting with my own father over my human rights. 

Britney would have fared better going to a treatment facility in 2008 and taking a year off or two to stabilize. In FTR, they say that they wanted Britney to go right back to work because singing and dancing is all she knows how to do and she found it therapeutic. The thing is, it is therapeutic until you're traveling all over the world on a tour which I imagine is incredibly destabilizing for someone who just had the worst year of their lives... which explains 2010 post-tour Britney looked incredibly dazed and depressed. The people making the decisions post-2008 have only cared about her career and her image and not about Britney's opinions and well being and THAT is why she needs out from Jamie and all the other toxic people who were pulling strings for the last decade, lookin @ you Lou, Larry, etc

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On 10/15/2020 at 12:38 AM, OutofKontrol said:

On point.

Its mind blowing how darn nearly EVERYTHING regarding this cship rolls right back to Lou. Even the attorneys Jamie used to sue Sam lufti. I'm sure Lou has been planning everything, however, like it nor not(and i hate it) Lou is smart. I am sure she covered her tracks when it comes to the shadiness of the cship, and Jamie is going to have to take ALL of the blame.

Lou Taylor is next

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15 hours ago, LLuvia said:

Justin has or has had serious problems such as drugs (*******, *********, etc.), alcohol, misogynistic behavior, and chronic insomnia ... with this, he already has more problems than Britney but his problems have not been public, that is the difference.
Justin is a child who has been allowed everything, a child spoiled by his mother and also by society and industry.
If you love a person, you protect them, never expose their problems and try to help as much as you can.
Justin had Johnny, Sonia, his mother, and a team (which was Britney's old team that helped and protected him and of course never exposed him, quite the opposite of Britney).

Nikki spoke in favor of conservatorship and her father, she should be silent on issues that she has no idea for example (Britney and Wade issue who spoke without knowing and of course judging Britney).
Let her talk about herself and her bestie Justin (let her talk about her bestie and the infinite infidelities towards his wife and leave the others alone).
She also talked about the night of VMA 07 to worry about drunkenness and other things of her friend Justin and stop judging and talking about Britney.
It's true, Britney needed a good professional manager who cared about her and her career,  get away from her toxic family (Jive tried to keep Jamie away, they didn't want it to know that he was an abusive alcoholic and that's why he was never around in those years).

If Britney hadn't been surrounded by bad professionals like Larry (Johnny and Sonia were good professionals but they betrayed her to fight for Justin's career) this would never have happened, if she hadn't allowed toxic ex-boyfriends like Justin this wouldn't have happened and she would not have allowed ex-husband who was interested in her money and fame like Kevin Federline this would not have happened, If she had not allowed the harassment and defamation of the press this would not have happened, If she had not allowed herself to be surrounded by a stalker and her troop.
If she had surrounded herself from the beginning with good and professional people this would never have happened.

I didnt see Nikki defending Jamie and she must know smt about Justin talking to Britney in 2007 (this rumour has been around since then) and the whole Wade thing if Justin was dating Britney at the time and she was already friends with Justin then.

She was on a podcast about Britney, about Everytime, of course she wouldnt talk about Justin in 2020 If the podcaster wasnt interested in that. She could have kept the vma and Wade stories to herself, but she was asked and answered, she even implied that Justin was also doing his own thing. I dont think she told many details.

Yeah, people love to talk about Britney while she cant even say anything, but she isnt even the first person who said the same thing about Wade too. Many others have talked about before: a choreographer who knows both Britney and Wade talked about this years ago; JC Chasez who never said a bad thing about Britney, wasnt even close to Justin anymore and was touring with Britney at the time also talked about it; Alyssa Milano who dated Justin, but also knows Britney and follows her on instagram till this day and even Brandi Jackson who dated Wade for ten years.

Lets just agree to disagree about some things, its obvious we think differently about some things and thats ok, everyone have their own opinions, this is a forum after all :wink_britney_everytime_white:

 

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1 hour ago, Bundy said:

I didnt see Nikki defending Jamie and I do think she must know smt about Justin talking to Britney in 2007 (this rumour has been around since then) and the whole Wade thing if Justin was dating Britney at the time and she was already friends with Justin then. She isnt the first person who said the same thing about Wade: a choreographer who knows both Britney and Wade talked about this, JC Chasez who never said a bad thing about Britney and wasnt even close to Justin anymore and was touring with Britney at the time he talked about it, Alyssa Milano who dated Justin, but also knows Britney and follows her on instagram till this day and even Brandi Jackson who dated Wade for ten years.

Lets just agree to disagree about some things, its obvious we think differently about some things and thats ok, everyone have their own opinions, this is a forum after all :wink_britney_everytime_white:

 

Perfect! I do not want anyone to change ideas or thoughts and I can dialogue perfectly.
But for her to talk about her life and for her not to do an interview in the middle of the fight for a conservatorship and say that it is a pro-conservatorship or say that she did not even recognize Justin in 07 and said good words about her father. . It is invasive and harmful!.
People when it comes to the Wade / Britney theme are so disgusting, I find it so disgusting that they talk about this, but not Justin's infidelities with groupies, dancers, escorts, Nicole Appleton, Tonya Mitchell, Nicole Scherzinger, etc., it seems that it is allowed for a boy to humiliate his girlfriend but it is not allowed for a girl to have confusion and a kiss with a person (Wade) and rethink a relationship(due to the behavior of her boyfriend)  and it seems that they murdered someone.
  They talk about Justin's controlling, possessive, and manipulative behavior even abusive behavior, absolutely not!,
This is not an opinion, it is a fact!.
 Darrin Henson lies because Wade was friends with Britney before he started working with her and Nsync, the problem is that Wade became Jive's official choreographer/main at the age of 17 in his own right.
Brandi says half-truths/half lies they were together for about 11 years and when this happened they weren't even together, the mutual friend who told her about the alleged infidelity was Britney, she should stop being a coward and tell the truth (this is related with the leaked letter that Britney wrote in late/early 2008/09) and since these people invade privacy by lying, hopefully, one day Wade will talk about Britney, about this and the whole truth.
To mount a real drama and have their lives have high consequences for a simple kiss is so unfair.

And if the story they tell and the official narrative is false, they tell a part of the story and totally manipulate the story and the great damage was to Wade and Brandi because Britney if she had acted sensibly she would have won because she got out of a toxic relationship.

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4 hours ago, LLuvia said:

Perfect! I do not want anyone to change ideas or thoughts and I can dialogue perfectly.
But for her to talk about her life and for her not to do an interview in the middle of the fight for a conservatorship and say that it is a pro-conservatorship or say that she did not even recognize Justin in 07 and said good words about her father. . It is invasive and harmful!.
People when it comes to the Wade / Britney theme are so disgusting, I find it so disgusting that they talk about this, but not Justin's infidelities with groupies, dancers, escorts, Nicole Appleton, Tonya Mitchell, Nicole Scherzinger, etc., it seems that it is allowed for a boy to humiliate his girlfriend but it is not allowed for a girl to have confusion and a kiss with a person (Wade) and rethink a relationship(due to the behavior of her boyfriend)  and it seems that they murdered someone.
  They talk about Justin's controlling, possessive, and manipulative behavior even abusive behavior, absolutely not!,
This is not an opinion, it is a fact!.
 Darrin Henson lies because Wade was friends with Britney before he started working with her and Nsync, the problem is that Wade became Jive's official choreographer/main at the age of 17 in his own right.
Brandi says half-truths/half lies they were together for about 11 years and when this happened they weren't even together, the mutual friend who told her about the alleged infidelity was Britney, she should stop being a coward and tell the truth (this is related with the leaked letter that Britney wrote in late/early 2008/09) and since these people invade privacy by lying, hopefully, one day Wade will talk about Britney, about this and the whole truth.
To mount a real drama and have their lives have high consequences for a simple kiss is so unfair.

And if the story they tell and the official narrative is false, they tell a part of the story and totally manipulate the story and the great damage was to Wade and Brandi because Britney if she had acted sensibly she would have won because she got out of a toxic relationship.

Yeah, it doesnt seem like Nikki knows much about Britney these days. I bet Britney doesnt talk to all these people since then. Christina Aguilera even implied she couldnt get to Britney. Some people have an idea that only bc Jamie is now sober he must be a good father and hes doing what he can. Did she even know about the rumours he sent Britney to a 1 star facility against her will? She also said Britney was always alone, that people around her were always asking her things, that she was never really protected and Felicia did what she could. Even tho she thought Jamie loved Britney, she also stated more than once like he wasnt around when she was a kid and when she became famous. She even defended Britney when the podcaster talked about Jho, saying Jho was old enough to handle when she became famous. 

I think Britney knew who Justin was but she was probably like 'hi' when he talked to her so in his mind she just didnt recognize him. She probably didnt engage a conversation with him bc she didnt want to talk about her life with him. She was nervous about her performance, she had so much on her mind I bet the last person she would expect to see was her ex that she didnt talk to in like 4 years. Kim Kardashian said they were at the same club once but didnt see them talking. Theres also that story that Timbaland wanted to work with her and she ditched both him and Justin. 

Britney was a victim of sexism from the start and still is. But some of these rumours about Nicole Scherzinger, escorts and groupies many people like I never even heard before. There are the pics with Appleton but at the time they were still hiding their relationship, so no one knew their status at the time, If they had a fight, were on a break or whatever. Wade was a story pretty much confirmed when they were already a ww famous couple. It didnt help Britney that when she was asked about cheating on Justin, she didnt deny. And she didnt defend herself either. She had no problem calling him *****fied bc he was *****ing about her, she talked about how he fooled her about the cmar video and how was a desperate attempt to sell records, but when it came to the cheating rumours she never said "I never cheated on him, hes ******* lying" or "Justin cheated on me too". And I dont think it was bc she was too nice bc when she needed she defended herself and was shady, I do think she didnt want to say much fearing hed talk more about the whole thing afterwards. He said in different interviews that she knew what happened, that she couldnt be confused. When he was with her, he talked about how his two first gfs cheated on him (his exes addressed that and one was really true and the other girl said he was paranoid at the time). After Britney, he said his 3rd gf (Britney) did the same the first two girls did. And she never denied. The thing I find interesting is why he never talked about Wade bc he could have made the story even worse confirming his friend also betrayed him. On the WGACA video the girl betrays him with his friend who was supposed to take care of his girl for him, but thats it.

But in the end what Justin did was vile, cruel and sexist and it doesnt matter if she cheated on him, what he did afterwards was way worse. And it took like more than a decade of him talking **** about her for gp start talking about how sexist, vengeful, petty and low that was. I know his family still follow her on instagram and his mom always said good things about her and that Britney probably forgave him so long ago, but I cant with JL praising CMAR and going to his show years ago with Jamie. Shes such a snake.

Derrin worked in the industry, he probably always knew about the story. And I dont know why Brandi would lie. If she said it was Britney who told her, itd make the story even more credible for her tbh. How is that related to that Britney letter? Alyssa Milano and JC Chasez never mentioned Wade, but it was clear what they meant when both said Britney broke his heart. 

Wade had no problem talking about how MJ was obsessed with Britney or whatever, so idk why he never talked about the whole thing. Back in the day Wade even denied, but Justin never did. 

 

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18 hours ago, 2K16NEY said:

Is her father still living in 2007/2008? Why does he feel the need to control her every move? Britney, at this point in her life, is so far removed from the chaos of those years and she has spent years proving it. She is an almost 40 year old woman with two children of her own and for whatever reason, Jamie doesn't understand that she deserves to be an adult and mother in peace. It's so ******* sad and I can't imagine fighting with my own father over my human rights. 

Britney would have fared better going to a treatment facility in 2008 and taking a year off or two to stabilize. In FTR, they say that they wanted Britney to go right back to work because singing and dancing is all she knows how to do and she found it therapeutic. The thing is, it is therapeutic until you're traveling all over the world on a tour which I imagine is incredibly destabilizing for someone who just had the worst year of their lives... which explains 2010 post-tour Britney looked incredibly dazed and depressed. The people making the decisions post-2008 have only cared about her career and her image and not about Britney's opinions and well being and THAT is why she needs out from Jamie and all the other toxic people who were pulling strings for the last decade, lookin @ you Lou, Larry, etc

 

I think the same, this is what bugs me the most. They all act like she's as bad as she was in 2007 and clearly she isn't, but I bet she's loud, demanding and stressful behind the scenes, at least before being sent against her will to a NASTY mental heath facility to spent a whole month. This is truly the worst thing that could happen to a person, if this was in the 50s, she was sent to a ******* mental health facility, locked, wearing white pajamas and being fed poison medicine. Well, who wouldn't if you have no one to listen to or to choose basic things about your own life.

She co-operated so much during this c-ship, she learned a lot by her "mistakes", she deserves a chance with good people around, I heard talks in the media about Jamie wanting to end it... like, in 2018, after the tour. I bet it was a promise he made to her but I guess he couldn't keep his words and she was about to be trapped again in Vegas for more 2 or even 4 years. Talk about ending a career cause Britney Spears is not an artist anymore at this point, there's nothing to cheer about her career nor her personal life in the situation she's in. 

This should end, she should go healing herself and catch on to her 30s cause she lost a lot. C-ship destroyed her self-confidence. She's a beautiful strong woman and everyone in the world are cheering for things go her WAY. The kind soul she is, I bet she didn't want the situation to be so ugly with her family like it is now, but they ain't helping, they are trash, as an early fan I used to like her family, I felt empathy towards Lynne with her book, I really like when Bryan was around with his child, Britney was loving it, but now they're all ugly. It's a hard situation tho, they're dumb to not know how to handle it, can't blame them much cause they live in a hole, clueless people but by now they should be more educated and more aware about Britney's wishes and be there for her even if she's furious with them (their guidance is Lou and her husband MYGOD). I'm sure Britney will take her time to be generous and kind to them once this is over, cause she's that girl.

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On 10/15/2020 at 8:18 PM, LLuvia said:

 

An envious woman named Nikki originally worked with Britney in the group and at MMC and failed at both. Now she's reunited with Justin and she's acting like she's her best friend and of course, she has to discredit Britney and she's a professional conservator.

I have to say she didn't strike me as such. I mean, never heard of her before and probably never will again hahaha, but she didn't seem to say anything majorly negative about Britney (except for her not being the one calling the shots in her. Areer which is sadly true) and maybe shading her true artistry, which was the only moment I said uh oh. 

 

Anyways, the podcast was annoying as hell hahaha.  I became curious but could not stand the whole hour. I fast forwarded through different parts

 

 

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On 10/17/2020 at 11:38 AM, annonymous said:

Can someone explain to me how it works with the lawyers? She has Ingham as a lawyer now right and he is really good. Why is she getting new lawyers now? I know that Ingham wasn't her own choice but he seems to be very good so whats the point of choosing a new lawyer?

From my understanding he has been around in this cship for a long time and hasn't done anything positive for britney. 

 

I'm afraid the only reason he's started doing a better job was because the public started putting pressure with the #freebritney movement and he wants to come out looking right at this point. Before he was benefiting but now the cost outweighs the previous benefits. 

 

Could be wrong. That's my take though. :angietea_angelina_jolie_tea_sips_coffee_mug_cup_drink_spilling_spill:

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