RCA does not like Britney

[Don Juan]

3 minutes ago, nonoiseplz said:

I edited the other post but I'll just post what I said there here.lol

This was the same time Britney went behind JIVE's back and debuted Mona Lisa at a random radio station.  I know JIVE did not want her to release Mona Lisa. I always felt like JIVE released "Do somethin" as a compromise to keep Britney from completely rebelling against them.  JIVE was very controlling and overly protective of her image. Britney's musical maturity was a slow process, but it did allow fans to grow with her. They kept her from being a 'personal artist'.

I think Jive was more worried about the quality.  They allowed her to release personal songs like Everytime and Some Day I will Understand.

Do you really think that Mona Lisa would have been a success?

[Steel Magnolia]

4 minutes ago, Don Juan said:

To blame Jive for Britney's breakdown is really far-fetched.  Her breakdown had to do with her personal life.

I really disagree with this...The custody battle was the tipping point, without a doubt, but it was the battle over her career that drove her into Kevin's arms to begin with.

I think both played an equal part in her breakdown. Her career and her personal life were deeply intertwined, and one wouldn't have happened without the other. 

[Don Juan]

8 minutes ago, Steel_Magnolia said:

I really disagree with this...The custody battle was the tipping point, without a doubt, but it was the battle over her career that drove her into Kevin's arms to begin with.

I think both played an equal part in her breakdown. Her career and her personal life were deeply intertwined, and one wouldn't have happened without the other. 

If anything played a part in her breakdown it was her breakup with Justin and that started to affect her career.  She was hurt from the way Justin treated her and that drove her into Kevin's arms.  You can't blame that on a record label as they didn't know she was sick (mentally).  She needed to sort out her personal issues before continuing with her career.  It was always her personal choices that messed up her professional image.  By 2007 her personal life had eclipsed her career.  It was like a snowball that continued to get bigger. 

[Steel Magnolia]

1 minute ago, Don Juan said:

If anything played a part in her breakdown it was her breakup with Justin and that started to affect her career.  She needed to sort out her personal issues before continuing with her career. 

I agree with that.

But that's just it -- there was a constant push from her label and her management to keep working after that, and to keep whatever she released safely within the confines of "the Britney brand."

There's a long list of clashes she had with JIVE, Larry and her parents following the filming of Stages -- documented in personal letters on her web site, videos, and other ways. Britney herself has said (in FTR, the Matt Lauer interview, etc.) that after the breakup she needed everything to just stop. Yet there was a constant push for her to keep working and keep conforming to the image that the record label wanted.

[Don Juan]

5 minutes ago, Steel_Magnolia said:

I agree with that.

But that's just it -- there was a constant push from her label and her management to keep working after that, and to keep whatever she released safely within the confines of "the Britney brand."

There's a long list of clashes she had with JIVE, Larry and her parents following the filming of Stages -- documented in personal letters on her web site, videos, and other ways. Britney herself has said (in FTR, the Matt Lauer interview, etc.) that after the breakup she needed everything to just stop. Yet there was a constant push for her to keep working and keep conforming to the image that the record label wanted.

Yes, but they didn't know she was sick.  If she was healthy she would have been able to fulfill her role as a pop star without any problems but she wasn't well.  All these clashes were symptoms of unresolved personal issues.

[nonoiseplz]

23 minutes ago, Don Juan said:

I think Jive was more worried about the quality.  They allowed her to release personal songs like Everytime and Some Day I will Understand.

Do you really think that Mona Lisa would have been a success?

Of course, the song was not a quality track. It sounds like a song Britney recorded and produced with her own money, which most likely is the case since she tried to release it to radio without JIVEs approval.

Think back to before 'Ever time' was released. The majority of Britney's peers were being marketed as singer/songwriters/musicians. The public, and other artists, were attacking Britney for not being a 'real artist'. She didn't have any personal singles that people could correlate with her personal life, and her co-writing credits on "Me Against The Music" was overlooked with the other 6 or 7 people who got credits. She lipsyched and didn't even write/produce her own music. She was looked at as a puppet. That is why the musical sounds of In the Zone contrast everything she did before.  That is why JIVE took the risk of putting  "Everytime", a song Britney wrote with a backup singer in a hotel room, on the album. JIVE knew they had let her music mature a bit and give people a glimpse of the artist  they were shaping her up to become. Otherwise, Britney would have BOMBED. "In The Zone" was her make it or break it album. That album, released during THAT TIME, is what made made her career legendary .

[Steel Magnolia]

2 minutes ago, Don Juan said:

Yes, but they didn't know she was sick.  If she was healthy she would have been able to fulfill her role as a pop star without any problems but she wasn't well.  All these clashes were symptoms of unresolved personal issues.

They should have known she was sick...

- marriage to Jason Alexander (she later tells Matt Lauer that "in my young mind I didn't know how to speak out.")
- the marriage to Kevin, after parading him in front of the paps
- premiering Mona Lisa on radio without their consent
- the many letters posted to her web site
- the three trips to rehab
- the rant to X17
- the letter to her mother, delivered in front of the paps
- the botched Gimme More video
- firing her entire security crew and multiple assistants
- the association with Lutfi

...and so many more things. The fact that JIVE was still cool with her releasing Blackout and filming videos for Gimme More and Piece of Me when all that was going on still boggles my mind.

[Don Juan]

14 minutes ago, nonoiseplz said:

Of course, the song was not a quality track. It sounds like a song Britney recorded and produced with her own money, which most likely is the case since she tried to release it to radio without JIVEs approval.

Think back to before 'Ever time' was released. The majority of Britney's peers were being marketed as singer/songwriters/musicians. The public, and other artists, were attacking Britney for not being a 'real artist'. She didn't have any personal singles that people could correlate with her personal life, and her co-writing credits on "Me Against The Music" was overlooked with the other 6 or 7 people who got credits. She lipsyched and didn't even write/produce her own music. She was looked at as a puppet. That is why the musical sounds of In the Zone contrast everything she did before.  That is why JIVE took the risk of putting  "Everytime", a song Britney wrote with a backup singer in a hotel room, on the album. JIVE knew they had let her music mature a bit and give people a glimpse of the artist  they were shaping her up to become. Otherwise, Britney would have BOMBED. "In The Zone" was her make it or break it album. That album, released during THAT TIME, is what made made her career legendary .

I agree with everything you said.  I'm so glad Britney fought to release MATM, Toxic and Everytime.  I wish Jive would have let her release BOTM and TOMH too but she had to give in to them by releasing Outrageous which she had no interest in doing.  Jive did however allowed her to take a lot of risks with that album because who would have thought Toxic and Everytime would be hits?  There was nothing on the radio that sounded like Toxic at that time and Everytime sounded like it would have flopped big time.

[Don Juan]

6 minutes ago, Steel_Magnolia said:

They should have known she was sick...

- marriage to Jason Alexander (she later tells Matt Lauer that "in my young mind I didn't know how to speak out.")
- the marriage to Kevin, after parading him in front of the paps
- premiering Mona Lisa on radio without their consent
- the many letters posted to her web site
- the three trips to rehab
- the rant to X17
- the letter to her mother, delivered in front of the paps
- the botched Gimme More video
- firing her entire security crew and multiple assistants
- the association with Lutfi

...and so many more things. The fact that JIVE was still cool with her releasing Blackout and filming videos for Gimme More and Piece of Me when all that was going on still boggles my mind.

Hindsight is 20/20 but I think Britney was the master of portraying an image of being okay.  I don't think any of us thought that there was something wrong with her until 2007 and by that time it was too late.

[nonoiseplz]

1 minute ago, Steel_Magnolia said:

They should have known she was sick...

- marriage to Jason Alexander (she later tells Matt Lauer that "in my young mind I didn't know how to speak out.")
- the marriage to Kevin, after parading him in front of the paps
- premiering Mona Lisa on radio without their consent
- the many letters posted to her web site
- the three trips to rehab
- the rant to X17
- the letter to her mother, delivered in front of the paps
- the botched Gimme More video
- firing her entire security crew and multiple assistants
- the association with Lutfi

...and so many more things. The fact that JIVE was still cool with her releasing Blackout and filming videos for Gimme More and Piece of Me when all that was going on still boggles my mind.

Ya'll need to stop acting as if she were sick all of her life and that every bad choice she made was because of her illness.

JIVE was her record label, not her immediate family.  Its not at all surprising that JIVE would continue to promote Britneys career even during her worst. That is their JOB.  Had they not, everybody would be screaming that JIVE was abandoning Britney.  So, yes!, props to JIVE for continuing to polish around Britneys personal life turds to ensure that she still had a viable career after the diarrhea stopped.

 

[Don Juan]

2 minutes ago, nonoiseplz said:

Ya'll need to stop acting as if she were sick all of her life and that every bad choice she made was because of her illness.

JIVE was her record label, not her immediate family.  Its not at all surprising that JIVE would continue to promote Britneys career even during her worst. That is their JOB.  Had they not, everybody would be screaming that JIVE was abandoning Britney.  So, yes!, props to JIVE for continuing to polish around Britneys personal life turds to ensure that she still had a viable career after the diarrhea stopped.

 

Lol, I agree with you again.  Their job is to look after Britney THE ARTIST.

[Steel Magnolia]

1 minute ago, Don Juan said:

Hindsight is 20/20 but I think Britney was the master of portraying an image of being okay.  I don't think any of us thought that there was something wrong with her until 2007 and by that time it was too late.

By the time this interview aired in 2006 I was already pretty concerned. It was clear from the interview (along with her behaviour leading up to it from January 2004 onwards) that she was not only fighting with the paps, but also fighting with her label, management and family, and that her marriage to Kevin was on shaky ground.

Fans are now asking the same questions about the Circus era -- "Why did she go back to work so fast after her breakdown?" They can compare how she behaved and looked during the Circus era to the FF era, and realize that something big must have gone down in between.

I feel as if now, RCA, her management and family are finally listening to her (they legally HAVE to now thanks to the conservatorship) and are allowing her to work at a pace that she can mentally handle.

My only beef now is that RCA and Larry don't have a clue how to package her. They don't know how to market her due to her work ethic, her age, and her personal situation. And it's becoming more and more of a problem with each day that goes by.

[Steel Magnolia]

33 minutes ago, nonoiseplz said:

Ya'll need to stop acting as if she were sick all of her life and that every bad choice she made was because of her illness.

JIVE was her record label, not her immediate family.  Its not at all surprising that JIVE would continue to promote Britneys career even during her worst. That is their JOB.  Had they not, everybody would be screaming that JIVE was abandoning Britney.  So, yes!, props to JIVE for continuing to polish around Britneys personal life turds to ensure that she still had a viable career after the diarrhea stopped.

 

How is that acting like she's been sick "all of her life"...? There was a clear date when the odd behaviour started to hit the mainstream media -- the marriage to Jason Alexander. It happened in the space between the ITZ promo and the Onyx Tour.

It may be JIVE's job to promote her, but look at the difference in how management teams and record labels treat the newer crop of pop stars. Gaga, Justin Bieber, Zayn, Demi, Selena...they've all cancelled performances or even more due to depression/anxiety.

Britney broke new ground in this regard. It was too late for her, but her experiences have had a big influence on how far labels are willing to push their artists and how mental health is handled in the public eye.

[nonoiseplz]

Just now, Don Juan said:

Lol, I agree with you again.  Their job is to look after Britney THE ARTIST.

When we bought Blackout and the singles that followed, we're doing the same thing JIVE did; which was looking out for Britneys career during a time where her personal life threatened it.  We couldn't change anything in her personal life, but I'll be damned if I didn't write FOX News and CNN letters when they said Jessica Simpson and Floptina were more successful than Britney!

[Britney M. Carey]

1 hour ago, Don Juan said:

Jive scrapped the Original Doll because it wasn't good enough.  Jive would NEVER let Britney release an album or video of low quality...EVER!!!

I thought OD is supposed (by fans) to be the original Blackout?

[Britney M. Carey]

Anyway, this blaming on the labels thing seems to be getting kinda too far

[Froot]

I only want her father to stay away from her work and job-decissions. And Larry&Adam to give her artistic freedom. I want musically and visually Britney to do what she wants at this time 

[WerkB¡tch]

2 hours ago, Don Juan said:

Jive also ensured that ALL Britney's albums debuted at number 1.

Jive pushed back the release of Blackout to ensure Britney didn't have to compete with Alicia Keys who was set to open with 700K.

However, Jive did not realize Billboard would have changed the rules at the last minute thereby allowing Eagles album to debut at number 1.

Jive even made sure that Britney released 4 singles from Blackout by releasing an animated video for BTI and including Radar as a bonus track on Circus to release as the fourth single off that era.

 

Those were good years in Britney'd career she was the big thing that's why her albums debuted at #1 don't compare with  the current Britney status I know she's a legend but sales are not good since FF.

I remember when Britney signed with RCA everyone was happy bc we blamed Jive for everything, now Britney has more control of her career she takes some final decisions, and probably the one rejected MM original mv was Britney, and LaChapelle is known for being straight with his ideas, maybe she and her team asked to remove some scenes and LaChapelle didn't want to and the project took another direction.

Dont blame RCA for only two singles for BJ, Britney was focused in Vegas residency that was the reason they released that album to promote vegas residency, She has been in a safe zone for years, it's time to wake up, not singing one song live, not doing complicated choreos, not doing a world tour, promoting her material as she used to, many factors and you can't blame her discography label for that.

[Applejack]

When I see Lady Gaga with a horrible song getting a huge radio deal and Justin Timberlake with a dumb theme song of a movie no one wants to watch getting a huge radio deal, I feel so bad for Britney omg.

Her budget this era was basically peanuts. 

I know y'all probably blame it on the scrapped video, but it's not the only factor here.

 

[Applejack]

29 minutes ago, Britney M. Carey said:

Anyway, this blaming on the labels thing seems to be getting kinda too far

But they legitimately do tons of dumb ****. It's well documented.

Especially a Sony label since Sony isn't on the best financial conditions and considering all the Michael Jackson **** that happened back in late 90's/early 00's.

Sure, they might be not the only ones to blame but it's totally valid looking at them this way.